No one is going to just refuse to deal with Britain. There will still be trade. It's just that the terms might not be quite as favorable as otherwise. Or more likely, nothing really changes. Agreements are a reflection of the current hegemony, not the other way around. So I guess, its good news for those who feared an economic meltdown but also kind of bad news in that I don't think it's going to fix the manufacturing industry or stop migration or any of those things.
A much more balanced view on what happened why and the demographical reasoning in this article and the young vs old is pretty much on the money. It basically says that it is much more likely that more older people (numbers not percentage) would have voted remain than the younger group because many more older people were likely to vote. Yes there would be a huge percentage differential but in terms of numbers it is likely that the actual vote count of older voters voting remain would have been higher. http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/brexit-political-awakening-young-people/
They (we as I am 49) are gambling with their own futures as is their absolute right...the young have always had their futures dictated to them over the years - that hasnt changed now. The thing about being young us that they will live long enough to have a chance to do something about it as time goes on, us oldies have to try and change things now. I don't know where the idea comes from that the young are somehow precious and special, and that us older people should sacrifice our potential happiness for them...we do it to some extent as parents if we have kids of our own but for instance my neighbours kids are horrible little ****ers and there is no way in a million years I would base any decision on what is best for them. Why should a population be different? What we need as a country is a regular supply of replacement humans in order to pay the bills, we dont have to pretend that they are golden and special.
In my experience it's been my kids and their kids that have brought my wife and I joy, and the 'sacrifices' made have been been willingly undertaken with a repayment many times over in celebrating their lives and achievements with them. It's not a pretence to wonder at their humanity.
When the boomers were young, they didn't have the money or the connections/political power of their elders. That's always been the case and will probably always be the case. But they always had the numbers. That's an important distinction, IMO. Now that they are old, they have the money AND the connections AND the numbers. Not making any value judgments. Just saying that I don't think my generation of middle-agers or the younger millennials have or will ever have the power of the boomers.
You also have to factor in the anti-British sentiments which may follow this from European consumers. We have seen in the past how (certainly our closest)neighbours (excluding Ireland) have boycotted our products. It won't matter what type of arrangements are made if the market place buyers stop buying.
Really sorry to hear that. My brother is in same position and has just bought a new house and a baby on way
@SamCoatesTimes Tory MP contacted by Boris campaign says they r telling MPs he wd go for an immediate general election if he wins to get fresh mandate. (Only posting news from now on)
Thing is, most of those people probably voted Remain. At least they would very likely fit the "young" demographic, on the whole.
Yeah, there will be some backlash and things will be a bit ugly for awhile. And there's definitely the risk that things will go nutty if cooler heads amongst both the leavers and remainers don't prevail. But if you get your **** together, I don't think it will be as big a deal as people fear. The people from other countries who are going to be unreasonable about this are not ones who would be prone to help you anyway. The right-wing loonies like Trump and Le Pen are loving Brexit, and using it as a platform to try and get their countries to withdraw from the international scenes themselves, instead of backing the international community to screw over England for not playing ball. I think it is the same situation for the extreme Socialist/left wingers. They fear TTIPS and think that trade agreements favor the elites and multi-national corporations instead of the common man. So they too, are somewhat happy to see the EU weakened. Of the people in the middle, some might have more of an international/global bent than others, but I don't think too many people have a problem with you know like "Hey Britain has some Range Rovers to sell us. I like Range Rovers... but nah screw 'em." If there's a simple bilateral agreement that works for both sides, why cut your nose off to spite your face? This could be a problem for Britain, because entering into separate agreements with a bunch of different countries is a pain and will use up a lot of resources. So I think that's a major concern and could end up a problem. But that's not because people aren't willing to deal with Britain, it's just because like I said... you really have to get your act together and move decisively and promptly at this point. It's on you. Come to the table with a plan and a reasonable proposal, you will get a fair shake.
That dude is like the British Trump or Berlusconi. Right winger, left winger, leaver, stayer, doesn't matter. I wouldn't trust him to do anything but what's good for Boris.
I find it difficult to understand the rhetoric regarding the people born in the sixties. Otherwise known as the boomers. People mention the fact they bought their houses cheaply and sold dearly. They forget maybe that a lot of these people had negative equity for about 7/10 years. Also they did not have the help that is available today to purchase their first homes. They had to rely on their own savings and or help from their parents. It is true house prices have gone up but that is not the fault of the "boomers". In truth they have suffered a lot of inflation since their adult hood. At one stage interest rates was at 15% during the late eighties. So this idea that the boomers had it easy is a bloody myth.
Hi Imps. I understand how you feel. That's a long detailed post with way too much to respond on. Lots of emotion. A lot of us also have that. The one comment I'll add is that despite all your passion, despite you being in the area you live, the people you know and your reasons for voting, you cant say why people voted. You weren't with them and they haven't all told you. That's as bad as people saying they only voted because they are X y and z. Like the rest of us you are applying your logic to why they voted. They've voted, it's done. Don't punish yourself by not posting on the forum. Just ignore this thread. If you don't post, Nigel Adkins will wonder where his support has gone.
They also did not have the "little"trappings that most people these days have. They had to scrimp and scrape, look after their own children with 1 breadwinner in the house, they had to choose which room to decorate in this 5 year spell. People from this era settled for a very very tight budget incomparable to that of today with no help just to afford their mortgage. I just do not get negativity towards the older generation.
I always though that the boomers were the generation before, as in the post war generation that became adults in the 60s, not those born in The 60s. They probably did have advantages with house buying as prices didn't start to become 10 x salary or more until much later, but they were probably the last to experience this. They are now the elderly though rather than the middles aged or younger who would have been the ones facing 15% interest rates.(15.4 % at its peak for me)
Breaking News: Northern Ireland have changed their votes; they're leaving the Euros. . No, I won't get my coat. I'm here all week
No the boomers are those born just after the war up to 64. My parents born in 48 and 52 had a house on a mortgage with no TV and boxes to sit on. They didn't have a £10,000 wedding. They bought things as they went along with both of them working and when I was born in 75 and my Mum had to stop working they scrimped along with what they had on just my Dad's civil service wage. No room in that first house was redecorated before I was 10 because they could not afford it. They did not own their own TV until I was 15 because they couldn't afford it, they rented it from Radio Rentals. My Dad bought crap english cars like a 6 year old Maxi and a 7 year old Princess and kept them for 5 years. They are quite comfortable in their retirement now and their house is worth a bomb but they had to live a very hard life to get there a lot different to how people are these days.
I've been made redundant 4 times, and completely retrained twice. I never got huge payouts either so it can be tough for a while, but there is always something else out there that will pay the bills, you just need to keep an open mind sometimes.
