Looks considerably less free today than it did yesterday.
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Looks considerably less free today than it did yesterday.
My biggest issue, is that the majority of 'out' voters that I have spoken to, have done little to no research, and just followed the media/jumped on a bandwagon.
I'm an engineer by trade, and work at a huge company. I've probably spoken to around 40+ people that voted out, and asked each one why they had. Not a single one could give a reason other than "I just don't like being in Europe" pretty much.
I would counter this by saying my best mate studied politics at Uni, and he voted Leave as well.
If everyone had spent time actually researching all the issues, potential outcomes and how it could affect us, and we still left - no complaints from me. But hand on heart I feel the majority of Leave voters had no idea what they were voting for.
I'm an engineer by trade, and work at a huge company. I've probably spoken to around 40+ people that voted out, and asked each one why they had. Not a single one could give a reason other than "I just don't like being in Europe" pretty much.
I would counter this by saying my best mate studied politics at Uni, and he voted Leave as well.
If everyone had spent time actually researching all the issues, potential outcomes and how it could affect us, and we still left - no complaints from me. But hand on heart I feel the majority of Leave voters had no idea what they were voting for.
Was it not Norman Tebbit who once encouraged the unemployed to get on their bikes and look for work? Interesting how such a policy is no longer supported by free marketers in this country who want to restrict this by closing borders and therefore stopping this opportunity!
Free movement of services and freedom of establishment.
Free movement of persons (and citizenship), including free movement of workers.
Free movement of capital.
I better pack quick then, because the free market may not quite be so free for me to take up that opportunity
*tongue firmly in cheek*
My belief is that today was a poor decision, however electing Trump will be a worse one, so we will be coming to give you grief
Well, well, well. What a to-do. What a calamity.
The current Mrs Onionman and I have been together for 21 years. I've seen her cry three times now.
The people who said Remain was project fear are going to find out that it wasn't. (And people who casually say that a recession is a reasonable price to pay for some mythical ability to "have a say" are callous and heartless bastards. People's lives are shattered, damaged and shortened in dire economic times.) It's going to come home to roost. Remember that what causes a recession is people saying "Times are uncertain, I won't replace the car" or even "I won't buy the new toaster", nothing more. Thirty million people delay expenditure and companies go out of business and people lose their jobs. I look forward to holding the Leavers to account.
However, we've found a solution. Get pissed. We're holding a wake this evening; cocktails, champagne and beer. We have several friends coming round. That should ease all the pain coming up over the next ten years.
Vin
The current Mrs Onionman and I have been together for 21 years. I've seen her cry three times now.
The people who said Remain was project fear are going to find out that it wasn't. (And people who casually say that a recession is a reasonable price to pay for some mythical ability to "have a say" are callous and heartless bastards. People's lives are shattered, damaged and shortened in dire economic times.) It's going to come home to roost. Remember that what causes a recession is people saying "Times are uncertain, I won't replace the car" or even "I won't buy the new toaster", nothing more. Thirty million people delay expenditure and companies go out of business and people lose their jobs. I look forward to holding the Leavers to account.
However, we've found a solution. Get pissed. We're holding a wake this evening; cocktails, champagne and beer. We have several friends coming round. That should ease all the pain coming up over the next ten years.
Vin
I'd counter that by saying that I voted remain and I hand on heart feel that a lot of remain voters didn't have enough knowledge on the consequences either way before they voted. I didn't. It was based on partial knowledge and self preservation for my vote.
It is why I voiced my opinion on not wanting the vote.
Come on down, we'll put you all up; what have you got to lose? Mrs Onionman is looking up cocktail recipes as we speak.
Vin
And a last word for now (at least until the economy tanks). Before the vote, the Leave campaign said that if they lost in a close vote, there'd have to be another referendum. I haven't noticed any of them calling for one today. Could it be that they are a bunch of conniving self-interested swines at the trough?
Vin
Vin
Look again. It's up for the week. Pound is recovering. Hardly the disaster you're touting.
My feeling is that it's all so unnecessary - just as the economy begins recovering, we risk it again. All for this mystical "control".
Time for a beer.
Time for a beer.
You're right, the pound is now only down by twice the amount it fell on Black Wednesday, the previous record holder. And it's the second biggest fall for a currency anywhere, ever (the biggest was a deliberate, self-imposed devaluation by the Swiss). No matter how you try to spin it, you cannot paint this as anything but a catastrophic collapse in the pound. Putting your hands over your ears and shouting "lalalala" doesn't make this go away.
This chart was from the FT a couple of hours ago, latest number is a fall of 8.2%
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Vin
Except for a friend's husband who works in the City and was told at lunchtime that his job was moving to Dublin. They have to decide what they're going to do; they can't sit back on their arses and smoke a cigar in the smug belief that they've done the right thing for Britain. It's tearing them apart. That's the reality.