Off Topic Politics Thread
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It's probably not going to be the UK and Worldwide depression some of the doom mongers have forecasted.
In part because UK was only kind of a half-assed member of EU in the first place. Although then of course, it makes you wonder why it was so important to withdraw?
In part because UK was only kind of a half-assed member of EU in the first place. Although then of course, it makes you wonder why it was so important to withdraw?
My friend is the same. He has been told he has to move to Frankfurt because the UK voted out or lose his job. He is gutted.
I'm feeling bad enough about this as it is, don't tell me I've got to link arms with Helen too?
In all seriousness, I was totally shocked that Wales voted to Leave. Not yet heard a good reason for it and Carwyn Jones, the Leader of the Welsh Govt warned of major job losses within hours of the result. I am genuinely scared.
It's the only way England will win any tournamentMaybe we'll become Engerwales and then Bale can play for us
On behalf of the other mods I would like to apologise for posting on a closed thread. This was started by me, inadvertently, when I posted how I felt about the result, not realising that TSS had already closed the thread. We can do that you see, post on closed threads that is. It's never been an issue before, and it isn't one now either as far as I can see. To those of you shocked and appalled at the unfairness of life, I urge you to go outside and breathe the fresh air.
If Rajoy doesn't get in do you reckon he'd like to be Saints manager?
TSS's post off the other thread said:
Sadly, it's the selfish baby boomers who have pretty much buggered it for their children. Those peace loving, liberal minded 1960's babies have turned into little Englanders.
I'm sorry but thats simply not true. Don't remember it was that same generation that voted we stay in in 1975. What has changed is not them but is the organisation they thought they were part of.
Staying out of the Euro proved a very wise decision that was at the time treated with similar cynicism. Getting out of the EU might prove to be an equally wise decision. We just don't know yet and may not for a few years.
I find all this name-calling rather unnecessary. May people I know voted to leave considering the Remain camp to have taken the short-term view, i.e. lets protect the economy now for a future that could go to pot if the EU fails in a few years time.
At least now, for good or bad, it is down to our own efforts.
Sadly, it's the selfish baby boomers who have pretty much buggered it for their children. Those peace loving, liberal minded 1960's babies have turned into little Englanders.
I'm sorry but thats simply not true. Don't remember it was that same generation that voted we stay in in 1975. What has changed is not them but is the organisation they thought they were part of.
Staying out of the Euro proved a very wise decision that was at the time treated with similar cynicism. Getting out of the EU might prove to be an equally wise decision. We just don't know yet and may not for a few years.
I find all this name-calling rather unnecessary. May people I know voted to leave considering the Remain camp to have taken the short-term view, i.e. lets protect the economy now for a future that could go to pot if the EU fails in a few years time.
At least now, for good or bad, it is down to our own efforts.
You will find that is the modern left for you. Fascist skinheads aren't the ones marching through London smashing windows in the name of anti-capitalism. Fascist skinheads aren't the ones camped outside party conferences spitting at MPs walking there, fascist skinheads aren't the ones chasing politicians around and harranging and hounded them in a way that is illegal to the point that a politician can't have a quiet dinner and has to let his wife escape out the back door.
That is leftist organisations like the anti-capital rally, momentum, the ridiculously ironic UAF (United against facism.)
There are some undesirable elements on the far right but these days they are a laughing stock that gather in a town square and sing Engerland songs until the UAF arrive and start to cause trouble.
These 'orrible fascist skinheads these days make a noise and sing their songs and passers by can see them for the fools they are but they don't cause much trouble. That's all done by the left who these days "own"direct action.
I've had quite a lot of grief on facebook and disqus today but then I have been posting about this subject for a long time and I am used to it. Most right wing and most leavers have been pretty polite. There is the odd anomoly of someone who is full on racist and it is muslims this, back that and it is the right wingers that tend to put them where they belong. All the left wingers and remainers want is to tell you how disgusting you are for not agreeing with their sacred view and very quickly lose their politeness. It can get really nasty but it is just words. I keep my views to myself out of the house because left leaning people can be very dangerous and sometimes fanatical.
Until they release voting breakdowns by demographic and by age etc you have no basis to assume it is pensioners and baby boomers that have vote out at the expense of the youth. All I have seen is YouGov polls. Peter Kellner proudly announced the last poll before the vote closed as a 52-44 victory for remain.
The picture I see see in my mind is that the breakdown of leavers goes much younger than the media are trying to suggest. Not everybody under 24 is a University neo-liberal.
I think if they could give an actual age breakdown it would shatter those statements that this was old guys that ruined it for the young. I am 41. I would've vote the same age 29. No-one really cared about Europe pre 2004 to my knowledge at least it didn't register on my radar until that time when freedom of movement started to impact people's jobs.
People need to get a grip with all their doom mongering and nasty hate filled words towards anyone that dares think differently to them. The fact of the matter is that we cared more and a lot of remainers did not bother to vote. Leave were always going to win this referendum if they were within distance because a lot of remainers just couldn't be bothered to vote where LEavers were more more passionate and enthusiastic about the whole issue. I don't know anyone who didn't vote. but then I only know 2 people that voted out. My Mum and Dad might have too but they keep their votes to themselves.
Why don't you want to hear complaints from us? You seem happy to talk about our country, we will do the same about yours. If that's all right with you......
I prefer to see it as the older and wiser heads voted to leave. We've more experience and some remember pre-EU. The youngest age group only think they know more. There will be good things and bad things resulting from this, so we have to stick together and make sure the good things predominate. There is no way that European countries won't deal with a large economy like the UK. Toys and prams come to mind.
Its a secret ballot so they will never know the accurate age breakdown, only the geographical one. All I know is that my two sons (early 20's) voted to leave whilst my Mum and Mother in-law (90 and 80 respectively) voted to remain. I actually imagine that many people who lived during the 2nd WW and who would have had parents in the 1st WW would have voted to stay because they have known what a divided Europe can bring.
Waste of time they are not prepared to listen to any view other than their own. They are typical of a lot of remainers on the net. They don't care who you are, what your cirumstance is, what you feel, what your reasons are. You didn't agree with them so no matter what you say to them you are an idiot.
I've had it with this thread because the people on here are even more narrow minded than on the Speccy political threads which are quite hot.
You all need to face the facts that lots of people have different viewpoints, circumstances and opinions on these issues and no matter how much you want to think that anyone who didn't vote your way is an ill informed idiot you are wrong. You cannot assume that everyone who does not share your opinion is an idiot or a target for abuse.
Stick your lefty ideas up yer ....................I'm off this thread before I really lose it.
It's the only way England will win any tournament
That's not fair; none of our team would get in yours... apparently
