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fatletiss said:
I think they would have done for people like me. However (and I apologise if this offends some people, but it is my view) there is a large % of people who do actually believe and swallow all their rhetoric. Boris was voted Mayor of London, so people do believe.

I am trying to find a more non-offensive word than 'intelligence' and I can't right now. So for what of a better, less offensive word, there are a lot of people out there at a leek of knowledge or intellect that don't consider or understand all issues, but who just follow the sound bites. They would have followed Boris and Nigel.
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Boris was mayor of London, London was a huge remain supporter, people who voted for boris for mayor voted against him for this, i doubt he picked up any voters in London who didn't elect him to be Mayor.

I think what your trying to say is this vote was based on class? which to a degree i will agree, I based my vote purely on advice i had received from people like myself. Work full time to provide for my family, no real savings, mortgage, no pension, I believe alot of people similar to myself voted for change. I believe that if i had a large pension stacks of savings and earned large bonuses from working in the city i would have voted to remain.
 
tomw24 said:
Unity. Simple as that, Now we're going it's going to make other members consider their position.
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Why should I care about other countries and what they are thinking about doing? That's for them. Surely that means the EU may lose more countries where is the unity? The EU therefore isn't unified and the UK isn't unified. Don't forget the vote was 52% to 48% with some people not voting so who knows what they think. Scotland and N Ireland both voted for remain. The last thing this has done is unify.
 
fatletiss said:
I think they would have done for people like me. However (and I apologise if this offends some people, but it is my view) there is a large % of people who do actually believe and swallow all their rhetoric. Boris was voted Mayor of London, so people do believe.

I am trying to find a more non-offensive word than 'intelligence' and I can't right now. So for what of a better, less offensive word, there are a lot of people out there at a leek of knowledge or intellect that don't consider or understand all issues, but who just follow the sound bites. They would have followed Boris and Nigel.
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I have never had your gift for tact and diplomacy Fats. So I'll spell it out in simple English, and tough luck if I offend anyone;

Our country's future is being decided by thick ****ing racists.
 
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fatletiss said:
Oh Tom.."Unity" is that it? Honestly? Is that all you really think. Please tell me what is Unity measured in?

Oh My Goodness!
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The EU will crumble in the next 10 years IMO. More members will have referendums in the not too distant future.
 
I didn't realise that by losing Scotland and probably Northern Ireland, that it would make our country stronger and more united! Now we just wait for the Government to magical create these fantastic jobs, and invest the supposed billions we spend on the EU in to the NHS and young people, because we're the ones who have to deal with this decision that spoilt baby boomers have lumbered us with.

I've heard it said that society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in. What an ugly tree we have just planted, with such bitter fruit. Someone please hold me....
 
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Archers Road said:
I have never had your gift for tact and diplomacy Fats. So I'll spell it out in simple English, and tough luck if I offend anyone;

Our country's future is being decided by thick ****ing racists.
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I completely disagree with this statement but i like your honesty. You could be a new breed of politician. :emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
fran-MLs little camera said:
I held my own views...certainly wouldn't listen to Farage. As I said before, you sometimes get fellow travellers you don't want....happens in all parties. Farage was a liability not a help. The fact he has any influence at all shows how the British people have being ignored. People are fed up with having real fears and being told that their reasoned views are because they are stupid and/or racist. There are different types of intelligence...common sense is one. I loathe the intelligentsia who live in ivory towers and dare to criticise ordinary people who are face to face with real problems on a daily basis. If people had listened before, we wouldn't be here.
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Fran, I was thinking of you when I wrote that post - I knew you'd be offended. I believe that you voted leave because you thought about things with a degree of common sense and intelligence and took the decision you thought was best. I have no problem with that. I am certainly not one of the intelligentsia you talk of, however I know that there are people out there who are not intelligent, do not have common sense and do not apply reasoned thought before making decisions. Life is made up of a large range of different people. That is not being rude or critical. It is part of life. It is one of the reasons that I said from the start that I did not want this vote to happen. If I had a problem with my electrics, I wouldn't call a plumber.
 
Archers Road said:
I have never had your gift for tact and diplomacy Fats. So I'll spell it out in simple English, and tough luck if I offend anyone;

Our country's future is being decided by thick ****ing racists.
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My vote was NOTHING to do with Immigration , I may be thick , but I am NOT a RACIST !!!!!!!!

I think people of both sides need to calm down , I thought this board was better than this .
 
fatletiss said:
Fran, I was thinking of you when I wrote that post - I knew you'd be offended. I believe that you voted leave because you thought about things with a degree of common sense and intelligence and took the decision you thought was best. I have no problem with that. I am certainly not one of the intelligentsia you talk of, however I know that there are people out there who are not intelligent, do not have common sense and do not apply reasoned thought before making decisions. Life is made up of a large range of different people. That is not being rude or critical. It is part of life. It is one of the reasons that I said from the start that I did not want this vote to happen. If I had a problem with my electrics, I wouldn't call a plumber.
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I agree with that. There are plenty of morons who voted just because they like Boris Johnson. Fran and I and plenty of others are not amongst them. Anyone with a degree of intelligence would have researched both sides and made a decision based on that.
 
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saintkitch said:
Boris was mayor of London, London was a huge remain supporter, people who voted for boris for mayor voted against him for this, i doubt he picked up any voters in London who didn't elect him to be Mayor.

I think what your trying to say is this vote was based on class? which to a degree i will agree, I based my vote purely on advice i had received from people like myself. Work full time to provide for my family, no real savings, mortgage, no pension, I believe alot of people similar to myself voted for change. I believe that if i had a large pension stacks of savings and earned large bonuses from working in the city i would have voted to remain.
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I don't ever think in class. I hate it. I have walked into my local Toolstation several times recently while picking up materials for the work being done on my bathroom. Dozens of times. I called in one time with my suit on as I'd been to see a customer and I was told that they don't get many posh people in there. FFS! I hater class. I am the son of a milkman brought up in a small country town being taught to work hard for my things and value life, possessions, and treat people as I'd expect to be treated. Now I find myself doing "ok" and only "ok" really, but I wear a suit to work and drive what I think is a nice car. Now I'm a different class or posh. I hate that so much. I am still me.

"Work full time to provide for my family, no real savings, mortgage, no pension, I believe alot of people similar to myself voted for change"

Not only have you described you here, you have described me. I voted remain as did a lot of people I know like me. Says nothing.
 
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tomw24 said:
I agree with that. There are plenty of morons who voted just because they like Boris Johnson. Fran and I and plenty of others are not amongst them. Anyone with a degree of intelligence would have researched both sides and made a decision based on that.
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Which is exactly what I am saying.

Tom here is the killer point for me. I believe that not enough people would have done what you have just said. I truly believe the better marketing and rhetoric won this vote.
 
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tomw24 said:
The EU will crumble in the next 10 years IMO. More members will have referendums in the not too distant future.
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They may well now.

I think the EU may go, and may have gone with us in, but better to lead that new change at that time. In my view.
 
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Number 1 Jasper said:
My vote was NOTHING to do with Immigration , I may be thick , but I am NOT a RACIST !!!!!!!!

I think people of both sides need to calm down , I thought this board was better than this .
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That's what gets up ordinary people's noses...they know they are not racist, compared with most of the rest of the world, we are the most tolerant people there are. It's not perfect here on a person to person basis, but over all it's a great country and we are fed up with being taken for mugs. Not able to deport people who are traitors to the country they live in...not being able to deport criminals...courts designed to protect the bad against the good. Decent people being threatened with deportation because they haven't had the sense to kill someone. These are all individual little things which add up to one dirty great whole.
 
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fatletiss said:
I don't ever think in class. I hate it. I have walked into my local Toolstation several times recently while picking up materials for the work being done on my bathroom. Dozens of times. I called in one time with my suit on as I'd been to see a customer and I was told that they don't get many posh people in there. FFS! I hater class. I am the son of a milkman brought up in a small country town being taught to work hard for my things and value life, possessions, and treat people as I'd expect to be treated. Now I find myself doing "ok" and only "ok" really, but I wear a suit to work and drive what I think is a nice car. Now I'm a different class or posh. I hate that so much. I am still me.

"Work full time to provide for my family, no real savings, mortgage, no pension, I believe alot of people similar to myself voted for change"

Not only have you described you here, you have described me. I voted remain as did a lot of people I know like me. Says nothing.
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Ok fair enough, i know you travel alot for your work and deal with companies worldwide i'm guessing this was a main contributor in why you voted remain, i understand that this out vote could complicate things for you. I work at an independant accident repair centre where we carry out mainly insurance work. These insurance companies who are governed by the EU are bringing in more and more standards and demanding more certificates and tools that will never see the light of day.

The cost of sending staff on training courses and buying specialist tools that will never get used is crippling. There have been 5 bodyshops in a 50 mile radius of me that have gone out of business in the last 2 years due to increasing overheads.

The vote is not based on intellignece or race its based on peoples own personal situation. I will do what i believe to be best for me and my family same as what you would. Its my veiw that i will be more secure with the UK out of the EU i may well be wrong but the way it was going i'm glad we have voted out and i am excited to see what the future holds.
 
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