Probably because we are all bored with waiting for Saints to announce our new manager so we are whittering on about anything.
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Probably because we are all bored with waiting for Saints to announce our new manager so we are whittering on about anything.
Hell of a Coincidence , my gut feeling is the other leave members advised him to keep quiet . Like it or not , IMHO , leave would have had more voters if Farage was not around .
I often wonder if Boris is perceived abroad, how he was in this clip from Outnumbered.
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I have been saying this on other platforms for months. Farage lovers and UKIP voters have been complaining saying he should have more airtime whereas although I like Farage as an Orator and don't have the hatred of many non UKIP voters have been saying he needs to take a back seat.
Farage has converted all those that he can. He is just a turn off for those that could have been converted over the last month and this is why the TV channels have been very quick to use the tactic of always getting him on for opinion.
I wish he had just stayed off the airwaves for a month and let less contentious / polarising people try and convince the "non UKIP" peeps.
One thing I noticed today was that where the voting slip normally has the candidates ordered by surname and not by party this referendum has Remain above Leave. Why did they not do it alphabetically like every other "vote"?
The machine in action... Why am I not surprised. I suppose I'm actually surprised that they havent got a great big box for the remain X on the front of the vote slip, and you have to turn it over to vote leave in a tiny box in one corner.
Well my X has been scrawled. A little amused that the area where you do the deed seemed poorly screened compared to Elections. I was able to clearly see the 'ward' opposite marking their slips, I observed 3 ins and 2 outs before I strolled back to post my slip. The chaps trying to gather more official exit data outside said there looked to be a high turnout on the cards, which would favour the ins I think.
There is no "official" exit data. It was announced that there will be no exit polls taken for this referendum because of the margin for error. If they were taking exit data they were either unofficial or just very interested.
Neither side has said this but the referendum vote is not legally binding as Parliament actually has the final say. So if they want politicians can ignore it, though it might be political suicide.
Certainly very interested.
But then this is a village in Dorset, why am I not surprised
A good readup from the Spectator and one interesting point at the end where he says that the BBC coverage made it look like only a small section of the crowd stood up at the end to applause. Not saying the BBC did it on purpose though and neither am I.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/boris-johnsons-closing-speech-defining-moment-campaign/
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/boris-johnsons-closing-speech-defining-moment-campaign/
No, probably just moaning because they know how much damage he could have potentially done to his cause. I was hoping he would be lead up a path where he's not to be able to control himself and say something to swing a few unsure voters my way.
Fats, I'm ever so slightly cynical about the way this referendum has been fed to the population, and the way that there has been virtually no unbiased reporting by any major media outlets. (of course I appreciate that every source has its own agenda and self interest)
It was a tongue in cheek comment...to some extent. It is little things like not putting the choices in alphabetical order like would be done on every other ballot paper that make my hackles rise - there is no good reason for laying out the ballot paper like they did. I'm not saying that the establishment has manipulated the entire process to acheive a remain vote but it certainly looks like it from some angles
The term for it is 'loose cannon' Farage will eventually go off. Johnson can go off at any given moment.
No, it's because he's a gobby bloke who's in love with his own voice and image as a man who speaks for the common man and who would hold a speech in a phone box to hear his own voice.
I believe it is traditional for the status quo to be first. Anyone who can't read shouldn't be in a sodding polling booth.
Either way, I do love how Leavers are already looking for a conspiracy. The votes haven't even been amended by MI5 and counted yet.
Vin
The problem isn't that the media outlets have their own agenda even though it may seem that way. What has happened over the past 20 years is that a part of what used to be the working class has become a more upwardly mobile under middle class, higher educated, and a gap has appeared between the "average person" and the lower class. So to people who are in that newer bracket even though they are from "lower" stock cannot comprehend that what those at the bottom are saying. The politicians have played on this too.
The BBC just represents what they see as an unbiased view and takes that average as the normal viewpoint. TV programming is all about this new lower middle class with money to spend with all the TV chefs talking about the sort of foods that is unaffordable (on a budget) as if it is cheap and lifestyle programmes are very "lower middle class."
It is an advance in British life that many more people can actually afford holidays and mini breaks. Can afford dinner parties etc but increasingly that is treated as normal and when they actually show those at the bottom the programs are intentionally made to sneer at them.
So the Beeb isn't biased. It is just reflective of what is seen as the new normal.
But they give him more airtime than other people and always go to him. I agree Farage jumps at the chance but the TV channels take advantage of that.
I am not looking for conspiracy theories and I didn't know the "incumbent" is normally at the top. Is that true?
From the BBC site for the 2015 election:
What is on the ballot paper?
You will be given an officially marked ballot paper listing all the candidates in alphabetical order of surname, with the description of their party, if they have one. You place an X in the box beside your one chosen candidate.
I was just pointing out what I noticed. I do remember on previous elections having to read the paper to see where the candidate I wished to vote for was.
This BBC article is interesting though:
This effect is apparently greatest in what the authors call "low information elections" - where voters are not able or willing to find out much about those standing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-27426319
Came back from long pub lunch earlier, and as I was driving home the talk was about new findings on pollution from diesel engines. With my environmental antennae up I mentioned that at the time of the big switch to diesel, my gut feeling was that this was a wrong move, as I had done a fair bit of reading on the subject and I had my understanding of the working of engines. It came out several years later that the move to diesel was to simply provide a market for the diesel glut that there was in the world.
To which a voice came from the back, yeah, let's take no notice of the experts, alluding to all the experts lined up to advise people to remain in Europe. The comment showed a superficial and shallow level of understanding of vested interests as opposed to experts. From the commentators point of view then we should ditch Einstein and Newton and put Jesus Christ [other deities are available] back in charge.
To which a voice came from the back, yeah, let's take no notice of the experts, alluding to all the experts lined up to advise people to remain in Europe. The comment showed a superficial and shallow level of understanding of vested interests as opposed to experts. From the commentators point of view then we should ditch Einstein and Newton and put Jesus Christ [other deities are available] back in charge.