It all feels a bit huge and a bit sad. There is an opportunity here, but we as a nation have to grab it. Also, I hope that this mobilises the left a little so that next time we vote for a government we get one which actually supports the people.
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He is a horrible man and he has hoodwinked millions of our population (I won't be rude about these people as others get offended).
Why is she asking Farage if things will happen? Is she an idiot? Why does she think she can pin Vote Leave's advert on him and then ask him to promise that the money will be spent on the NHS when he is not an MP? There is going to be a lot of this I can see. Why can't they just not have Farage on and let people forget about UKIP?
Anyone seen David Cameron? Is he locked in a wardrobe with his fingers in his ears, or halfway through a bottle of whisky with a revolver on the table?
They did win because a lot of people got pulled into the game. A game that from day one I didn't want to happen.
Her point is clear Impsaint. She is letting the people know that information they were given was pure fantasy. You have to accept that a lot of people accepted this man's story to choose their vote and I don't blame her for exposing his/their sham.
The information people got from both sides was complete fantasy. Get one from each side on and then tackle them all on their fantasy lies.
What we are about to be confronted with is not fantasy, but the brutal reality of a self imposed economic ****-storm.
Then they should have told the truth and not lied through their teeth. All the establishment as usual got caught up in their Westminster Soap opera bubble gee'd on by the media and thought that they are the story as usual. They still haven't learned that people do not just take the view that the media gives us as gospel. People are not as stupid as these metro elite people think they are.
Markus Kerber, head of the highly influential BDI, which represents German industry, has said that his organisation will press politicians in Europe hard to make sure businesses in the UK and the EU retain full, equal access to each other's markets after Lexit. Anything less would threaten jobs on both sides and serve no-one – least of all the Eurozone, which is in desperate trouble.
This intervention, which confirms what Leave campaigners have being saying for a long time, is a huge game changer, and should reassure voters that British businesses have everything to gain and nothing to lose if we strike out from the EU as an independent, self-governing democracy with full powers to enhance our trading opportunities worldwide.
This intervention, which confirms what Leave campaigners have being saying for a long time, is a huge game changer, and should reassure voters that British businesses have everything to gain and nothing to lose if we strike out from the EU as an independent, self-governing democracy with full powers to enhance our trading opportunities worldwide.
Mate, you can't blame the establishment for this; the public were given their say. The electorate have decided. Now we all have to live with the consequences.
Time will tell who has been stupid.
Dan Hannan now on TV saying that immigration probably won't be brought down. And it's only 07:27 on the 24th of June 2016...
Those who aren't happy with result are quite willing to blame lies and deception. My point was that both sides were equally as guilty of this and the media have been guilty of being more interested in treating the whole thing as a Soap Opera of this person vs that person, who said what, who hates who and all the intricacies of the bubble rather than report the news or try and get into the subject.
They all told lies so no one can start picking on one side or the other ans saying disgusting the lies that side told because they both did it. We should be saying that this should be the end of this kind of BS politics and from now people need to stop treating politics as some reality show and focus on the politics and not this constant personalities and intrigue crap.
The people have spoken.
"The people like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis" (Super Hans)
"The people like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis" (Super Hans)
Jeremy is also doing an utterly pathetic job of seeming bothered about the result.
I can see Cameron going today now - silence is deafening. All we have had is ****ing, ****ing, ****ing Farage.
I can see Cameron going today now - silence is deafening. All we have had is ****ing, ****ing, ****ing Farage.
As far as I understood it, the main argument of Remain, for which they were accused of scaremongering, was that a vote for Brexit would have severe and immediate economic consequences. We'll soon see if that was a lie.
I do find it fascinating that Farage, in all of his speeches, keeps citing the European flag and anthem as things that need to be done away with. My background is in international relations and political economy, and my thesis was written about the aftermath of the failed TEU, later replaced by the Treaty of Lisbon. At the time, the prevailing sentiment in the IR community was that Europe needed to deepen the "we feeling" aspects of the European Community...things like the flag, the anthem, and having a constitution, and all the things normally found in a state rather than a supranational body. Things that would advance a European identity. I lost a thesis advisor by arguing that this was precisely the wrong approach; integration was popular when it had real, tangible results and was framed as a vehicle for such, a series of agreements that advanced the interests of the member-states, and it had failed and would fail when it tried too much to be one big happy country of countries.
If the EU has failed, IMO, that is where it has failed. Not in the details, mainly, the economic and social and political aspects, but in fixating too much on Being European as a salve to national sentiment. That was always necessarily going to engender push-back, because few things run as deep as the ties to one's nation. And it seems to be a large part of the manner in which it came apart at the seams...once people started to go concerned that the EU was trying to homogenize their national characters, they cast a much more jaundiced eye at the many agreements which comprised the union. Add the 2008 crash and hamhanded handling thereof (both by the EU and national governments) to further increase antipathy and people are so willing to get away from the flag and the anthem and Brussels that they'll set themselves on fire to do so.
If the EU has failed, IMO, that is where it has failed. Not in the details, mainly, the economic and social and political aspects, but in fixating too much on Being European as a salve to national sentiment. That was always necessarily going to engender push-back, because few things run as deep as the ties to one's nation. And it seems to be a large part of the manner in which it came apart at the seams...once people started to go concerned that the EU was trying to homogenize their national characters, they cast a much more jaundiced eye at the many agreements which comprised the union. Add the 2008 crash and hamhanded handling thereof (both by the EU and national governments) to further increase antipathy and people are so willing to get away from the flag and the anthem and Brussels that they'll set themselves on fire to do so.
Not quite true. We were at least living with the other option if it was a fantasy.
So the plan for the Leave side is:
1. Say how great we are, how we've bettered the elites, and we are normal people
2. We've defeated fear, and scaremongering
3. What the **** do we do next?
1. Say how great we are, how we've bettered the elites, and we are normal people
2. We've defeated fear, and scaremongering
3. What the **** do we do next?