Yet the EU pushed diesel when before Kyoto in 1997 diesel cars were a tiny proportion of sales. What Brussels and Whitehall knew, but wilfully ignored, was that diesel vehicles spew out harmful nitrogen oxide, and at least 20 times as many particulates as petrol vehicles. These are the minute particles that penetrate lungs, hearts and brains Meanwhile, Brussels leant on the major car manufacturers such as Volkswagen to produce more diesel models and fewer petrol ones. So complete was this process that most 'model lines' mainly feature diesel cars. Indeed, when I tried to buy a particular German car last year, I was told that no petrol version was available. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ight-EU-s-diesel-stitch-up.html#ixzz4CQOurrpN And continue to think of $$$ before their own supposed morals: "It is intolerable to learn that after the Volkswagen scandal, the member states and the commission conceded to the sirens of the auto industry in allowing it to exceed European anti-pollution limits," said MEP Karima Delli of the Greens group. Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-02-eu-lawmakers-diesel-loopholes-vw.html#jCp
From that thread: Canada just went through this. Like the UK, we import a lot of food. Like the UK, we tanked our currency. This past winter, prices for most fresh vegetables doubled or tripled, and shelves were empty (at one point I had to go to three stores to find one very expensive head of broccoli). Retailers got slammed. Consumers got slammed. Restaurants got it worst: they were faced with having to either make massive changes to their menus, their pricing, or as many did, simply eat a large short-term loss and hope that it would blow over. It was extraordinarily painful for anyone on modest wages, and that was just six months. So, domestic food production might do okay. Canned food production, sure. The many other industries, particularly service sector, that revolve around food? Not so much. Purchasing power of consumers? Definitely not.
This vote has divided the country like no other. My son is in the "Brexit" camp and is now chortling to me that they've "won". I'm on holiday in France, wondering if I'll be able to afford another (sterling took a dive and will keep on dropping) or be allowed in by the French (who are not taking this well). The ignoramuses have won - Boris and Nigel for president. God save us ......
I'm supporting Iceland on Monday. I think I have more in common with them than the people in this ****ing regressive, stupid bloody country.
Given the chance that the economic shock spreads worldwide, northern Greenland seems like a decent option, too.
*POLITICAL OPINION DISCLAIMER* Advance at own peril... --- Feeling disappointed, let down and saddened this morning. Let me explain why... The younger generations who've continually been denied opportunities to own property, enter an engaging and empowering job market, have access to affordable education and have an era of prosperity have been denied once again by older generations who have already enjoyed all the prosperity of the boom and the social mobility that came with it. Meanwhile, future generations are saddled with mass debt and the fall-out of an illegal war for which the British government pulled the wool over citizens' eyes. That, is unforgivable, I'm sure we'll all agree. After the rhetoric of 'think of your children', it appears that those who voted leave have disregarded the will of those younger than 40. It's easy to point the finger at Europe, or the unknown, be it immigrants or political bodies, but ultimately, it's the British government that's repeatedly failed recent generations. But, democracy is democracy and you can't only accept the outcome of democracy when it favours your desired result. I won't call a fix, or rigging, or any of the sort of daft conspiracy theories that were floated. So, while I have zero faith in the likes of Johnson, Gove, Farage and others to be on the front line of British politics in a crucial period of our history, it's important that we unite our country and avoid veering off to the right and becoming a spiteful little country led by those with 'little Englander' attitudes. If there is to be an England and Wales in union from here on in (assuming a Scottish independence vote and potential reunification of Ireland and Northern Ireland) at least let it be one that strives to be progressive and united. We need to build an outward-looking, progressive, liberal, internationalist, inclusive and prosperous Britain. A good place to start would be to bin off 'first past the post' and an unelected higher chamber, and replace it with something that makes sure everyone in society is represented fairly as we forge a new path. If it's going to work, people need to work together. We've got a big chance, so let's make sure we take it. Please, please don't make this 'Little England' starting a slide to the gutter. Hopefully there can be a consensus and the country can come together to start to stop the backwards slide as quickly as possible. Whether or not that happens, in my eyes it will forever be a shame to see the end of our now rather ironically-named 'United Kingdom' in what was one almighty massive political gamble after years of arrogant and ignorant cross-party head burying about the issues that were truly bothering people. That's about all, I'm off to bed. If we're going to do this, let's at least try and do it properly.
This. I voted for the future of my children. Not everyone is lucky enough to educate themselves above the bottom level. For me it is important that whether my children are fortunate to be able to get better jobs or if they need the bottom of the run NMW that there are opportunities for them. I understand your feelings but at the end of the day we all have our own opinions and do things that we think is right. I make no apologies for voting out. I just wish that like you say our government(s) hadn't repeatedly brushed off people's concerns over the past decade so it didn't feel like I had no choice. That is how I feel. My Portuguese wife understands why I made that decision and she didn't get a vote. Maybe things are seen a little differently in different areas of the country but round here it is all farms and factories and if you haven't got the education or a trade then that is all you have. If that avenue is blocked then you feel cornered. I have had hundreds of facebook notifications today from people I have known from work or worked in other factories etc a decade ago and everybody is taken aback that their vote actually counted because we all thought this would be a narrow remain victory. I don't think many people have taken it in or even thought about where they go from here but there is no mention of migrants, immigrants or any xenophobia. There is a lot of hatred for Blair and Cameron though. Not a lot else I can say really. I made my choice, others made theirs and the collective result is what we see. Some of us are happy with result others not but it is what it is.
You see, this is exactly what I was hoping toroid. People chatting etc. As I said before. I voted out, but I feel no joy, I would have felt the same if I voted in. I have had to try and gather the facts, through the lies told by both sides. I made my decision, I hope it all works out for the best. At least for the most part people respect each others views on here and there are no personal insults, not like other boards!
I still love London. The rest of England - & right now that includes Southampton - can **** right off. Might have to start supporting Ireland and Barnet. Except I can't. ****!
It was inevitable as soon as The Sun started backing Leave. Most if this country are ignorant racists who believe their ****, after all.
Well There is a. Lot of talk about voting for the children and the future. DTLW's table shows that the youngsters didn't want this. My feeling is that we're gong to be in a lot of trouble. Sad day.
