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Saints_Alive said:
I think that May would be just as bad, if not worse.
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Any Conservative politician fills me with slight dread, but Johnson is a completely loose cannon. You can't trust anything he's says as conviction. Only a year ago he was for staying in the EU and he was just as vehement about that then as he is about leaving now. Disappear, and do it quickly.
 
Saints_Alive said:
I think that May would be just as bad, if not worse.
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May has no chance. She might be highly regarded within Tory circles but the real Tories (and I mean grassroots not Lefty Cameron) are much better at gauging what the public will vote for. Cameron was selected because he was the eurosceptic option which is why he is so hated within the Tory party now. He lied to get the job in the first place.
 
breconsaint said:
Possibly. Or ignore it and vote against the result in parliament.
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Is this what you were on commenting on ( Or Similar ) ?



"The relevant legislation did not provide for the referendum result to have any formal trigger effect. The referendum is advisory rather than mandatory. The 2011 referendum on electoral reform did have an obligation on the government to legislate in the event of a “yes” vote (the vote was “no” so this did not matter). But no such provision was included in the EU referendum legislation.
What happens next in the event of a vote to leave is therefore a matter of politics not law. It will come down to what is politically expedient and practicable. The UK government could seek to ignore such a vote; to explain it away and characterise it in terms that it has no credibility or binding effect (low turnout may be such an excuse). Or they could say it is now a matter for parliament, and then endeavour to win the parliamentary vote. Or ministers could try to re-negotiate another deal and put that to another referendum......."

http://blogs.ft.com/david-allen-gre...vernment-legally-disregard-a-vote-for-brexit/
 
TheSecondStain said:
Any Conservative politician fills me with slight dread, but Johnson is a completely loose cannon. You can't trust anything he's says as conviction. Only a year ago he was for staying in the EU and he was just as vehement about that then as he is about leaving now. Disappear, and do it quickly.
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The way I heard it, Boris had written a column supporting remain and one supporting Brexit, then made his decision when the paper needed his comment for print.
If Dave had supported Brexit, I believe Boris would have backed remain, and submitted his other comment for print.
 
Number 1 Jasper said:
Is this what you were on commenting on ( Or Similar ) ?



"The relevant legislation did not provide for the referendum result to have any formal trigger effect. The referendum is advisory rather than mandatory. The 2011 referendum on electoral reform did have an obligation on the government to legislate in the event of a “yes” vote (the vote was “no” so this did not matter). But no such provision was included in the EU referendum legislation.
What happens next in the event of a vote to leave is therefore a matter of politics not law. It will come down to what is politically expedient and practicable. The UK government could seek to ignore such a vote; to explain it away and characterise it in terms that it has no credibility or binding effect (low turnout may be such an excuse). Or they could say it is now a matter for parliament, and then endeavour to win the parliamentary vote. Or ministers could try to re-negotiate another deal and put that to another referendum......."

http://blogs.ft.com/david-allen-gre...vernment-legally-disregard-a-vote-for-brexit/
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That won't cut it. Cameron has stated several times that whatever is decided is what will happen. That is why he has been stating he would trigger article 50 immediately which is not what Leave want. They want to assess things before deciding if they need to trigger article 50.
 
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St Badger said:
The way I heard it, Boris had written a column supporting remain and one supporting Brexit, then made his decision when the paper needed his comment for print.
If Dave had supported BrexitBrexit, I believe Boris would have backed remain, and submitted his other comment for print.
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He also was interviewed about it and has made a documentary about Turkey, in the past, in which he extolled the virtues of the EU. But I agree, Boris is a main chancer. He has seen power opening up before him and he's going for it, whether it's the right thing to do or not. Farage is essentially the same, only quieter, with possibly more background info. If you want the best bargain in a Black Friday sale, Boris is the guy to hire because he'll bulldoze his way through to get it. Anything else, leave him out.
 
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ImpSaint said:
That won't cut it. Cameron has stated several times that whatever is decided is what will happen. That is why he has been stating he would trigger article 50 immediately which is not what Leave want. They want to assess things before deciding if they need to trigger article 50.
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Thanks .
 
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Channonfodder said:
FYI Michael Gove was in Above Bar St. a few minutes ago, heading towards the precinct.
I would also point out that there is fruit and veg stall in the entrance to the Marlands, should the urge take you.;)
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He's just been on the news, apologising for comparing some EU economic experts to Nazis.

Said it was 'clumsy'. Quite.
 
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Number 1 Jasper said:
Is this what you were on commenting on ( Or Similar ) ?



"The relevant legislation did not provide for the referendum result to have any formal trigger effect. The referendum is advisory rather than mandatory. The 2011 referendum on electoral reform did have an obligation on the government to legislate in the event of a “yes” vote (the vote was “no” so this did not matter). But no such provision was included in the EU referendum legislation.
What happens next in the event of a vote to leave is therefore a matter of politics not law. It will come down to what is politically expedient and practicable. The UK government could seek to ignore such a vote; to explain it away and characterise it in terms that it has no credibility or binding effect (low turnout may be such an excuse). Or they could say it is now a matter for parliament, and then endeavour to win the parliamentary vote. Or ministers could try to re-negotiate another deal and put that to another referendum......."

http://blogs.ft.com/david-allen-gre...vernment-legally-disregard-a-vote-for-brexit/
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Yes, something like that. We have Call me Dave's word that he would honour either result......so that's OK then.
 
breconsaint said:
Yes, something like that. We have Call me Dave's word that he would honour either result......so that's OK then.
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The honour of "Call me Dave" will not be a worry in this regard because win or lose he will be out before any attempt to ignore the result could get through parliament. It would also signal the death knell for the red and blues because voters would not take it. Both parties need leavers to vote for them in the GE.
 
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