Off Topic Politics Thread

[SaintsForTheWin]

And the Defence Secretary has resigned.

And every man and their dog is piling into labour about it . From the conservatives of all people.

The party that has decimated our armed forces over the years.

 

[Puck]

Puck

Do you believe that these riots have nothing to do with Farage and that he is not helping to create an environment where these protests are legitimatised ?


Also interesting that sites like BBC were not mentioning that the protests in Belfast involved individuals associated with Loyalist para militaries.

Generally speaking, claims that national political figures create violence by talking about problems or issues are nonsense. In almost all cases the problem is a failure to address whatever issue the public are angry about, not people talking about the issue the public are angry about. The public are more than capable of thinking for themselves and suggesting they've somehow been brainwashed into violence by some political figure or other is frankly insulting. I don't blame Farage for what's happened over the last couple of weeks any more than I blamed Starmer or Lammy or anyone else for the BLM riots. Not talking about these things is probably more likely to cause violence - I suspect the majority of people involved in the violence are involved at least partly because they're politically disengaged and believe that voting makes no difference, leaving violence/"direct action" as their only option. I'm also fairly sure that Farage has far less influence in Northern Ireland than he does in England.

It's not a surprise that disorder in Northern Ireland is more serious. They have a history of identity-based political violence and my understanding is that, for all the talk of peace, many of the paramilitaries moved into organised crime once the Troubles ended so they still have the knowledge and likely the weapons to do a lot of damage. I wouldn't be surprised if there were Loyalist paramilitaries involved. I wouldn't be surprised if there were Nationalist paramilitaries involved. In the last year groups like the New Republican Movement and the Irish Citizen Army have released videos threatening violence in response to mass immigration. I think serious civil unrest in western Europe is becoming more and more likely and if I had to guess which country is most likely to see serious violence, perhaps even a sort of civil war, I'd probably go for Ireland.

If I was going to blame anyone for the environment that's been created I would blame the series of recent governments that have adopted policies that led firstly to hundreds of thousands of children being raped and tortured because they were white and weren't muslims, while the authorities looked away because they were too scared of being called racist, and more recently led the police to arrest and handcuff a young white man while he was dying, because his non-white killer had accused him of racism. These are the people who now pretend talking about this is a problem and say violence isn't the answer while refusing to do anything to address the problem people are angry about. If nothing changes I think there will be more violence. I thought Elon Musk was talking nonsense when he predicted civil war 18 months ago. I'm not so sure any more.

 

[SaintsForTheWin]

Generally speaking, claims that national political figures create violence by talking about problems or issues are nonsense. In almost all cases the problem is a failure to address whatever issue the public are angry about, not people talking about the issue the public are angry about. The public are more than capable of thinking for themselves and suggesting they've somehow been brainwashed into violence by some political figure or other is frankly insulting. I don't blame Farage for what's happened over the last couple of weeks any more than I blamed Starmer or Lammy or anyone else for the BLM riots. Not talking about these things is probably more likely to cause violence - I suspect the majority of people involved in the violence are involved at least partly because they're politically disengaged and believe that voting makes no difference, leaving violence/"direct action" as their only option. I'm also fairly sure that Farage has far less influence in Northern Ireland than he does in England.

It's not a surprise that disorder in Northern Ireland is more serious. They have a history of identity-based political violence and my understanding is that, for all the talk of peace, many of the paramilitaries moved into organised crime once the Troubles ended so they still have the knowledge and likely the weapons to do a lot of damage. I wouldn't be surprised if there were Loyalist paramilitaries involved. I wouldn't be surprised if there were Nationalist paramilitaries involved. In the last year groups like the New Republican Movement and the Irish Citizen Army have released videos threatening violence in response to mass immigration. I think serious civil unrest in western Europe is becoming more and more likely and if I had to guess which country is most likely to see serious violence, perhaps even a sort of civil war, I'd probably go for Ireland.

If I was going to blame anyone for the environment that's been created I would blame the series of recent governments that have adopted policies that led firstly to hundreds of thousands of children being raped and tortured because they were white and weren't muslims, while the authorities looked away because they were too scared of being called racist, and more recently led the police to arrest and handcuff a young white man while he was dying, because his non-white killer had accused him of racism. These are the people who now pretend talking about this is a problem and say violence isn't the answer while refusing to do anything to address the problem people are angry about. If nothing changes I think there will be more violence. I thought Elon Musk was talking nonsense when he predicted civil war 18 months ago. I'm not so sure any more.

I agree with sections of this, but lay off the sensationalism.

100s of thousands of children raped by non white people? Come off it.

Also, people can’t think for themselves. There are lots of people who are easily led, and to believe otherwise is questionable on your part.

 

[StJabbo1]

I agree with sections of this, but lay off the sensationalism.

100s of thousands of children raped by non white people? Come off it.

Also, people can’t think for themselves. There are lots of people who are easily led, and to believe otherwise is questionable on your part.

Elon Musk + rivers of blood = Bollocks

 

[Puck]

I agree with sections of this, but lay off the sensationalism.

100s of thousands of children raped by non white people? Come off it.

Also, people can’t think for themselves. There are lots of people who are easily led, and to believe otherwise is questionable on your part.

Well, sure, nobody actually knows the number and the current government seems to have very little interest in investigating so we may never know for sure. Hundreds of thousands is towards the high end of the estimates but it's not ridiculous. Sarah Champion once suggested it could be a million and other MPs have suggested hundreds of thousands. Given that conservative estimates for towns like Rotherham and Telford are over a thousand each I have no doubt it's at least in the tens of thousands. Quibbling over the exact number really isn't important though. It's a lot.

I also referred to "the public", not all people. Of course some individual people can be influenced, but democratic societies are based on the idea the public will ultimately make the right decisions. The discussion is about whether Farage is somehow responsible for this violence. It's a ridiculous suggestion put forward by people who want to avoid discussing the real issue because their ideas don't stand up.

 

[Archers Road]

Just reading/video in sky News of the 8 month old shot dead in Palestine. Barbaric stuff. As usual Israel looking into it. Approx 1% of these investigations lead to indigtments. A sick society

iirc, the USA are still investigating how a U.S. built tomahawk missile designed to be fired from a U.S. warship hit a girl’s school in Iran.

 

[Archers Road]

Generally speaking, claims that national political figures create violence by talking about problems or issues are nonsense. In almost all cases the problem is a failure to address whatever issue the public are angry about, not people talking about the issue the public are angry about. The public are more than capable of thinking for themselves and suggesting they've somehow been brainwashed into violence by some political figure or other is frankly insulting. I don't blame Farage for what's happened over the last couple of weeks any more than I blamed Starmer or Lammy or anyone else for the BLM riots. Not talking about these things is probably more likely to cause violence - I suspect the majority of people involved in the violence are involved at least partly because they're politically disengaged and believe that voting makes no difference, leaving violence/"direct action" as their only option. I'm also fairly sure that Farage has far less influence in Northern Ireland than he does in England.

It's not a surprise that disorder in Northern Ireland is more serious. They have a history of identity-based political violence and my understanding is that, for all the talk of peace, many of the paramilitaries moved into organised crime once the Troubles ended so they still have the knowledge and likely the weapons to do a lot of damage. I wouldn't be surprised if there were Loyalist paramilitaries involved. I wouldn't be surprised if there were Nationalist paramilitaries involved. In the last year groups like the New Republican Movement and the Irish Citizen Army have released videos threatening violence in response to mass immigration. I think serious civil unrest in western Europe is becoming more and more likely and if I had to guess which country is most likely to see serious violence, perhaps even a sort of civil war, I'd probably go for Ireland.

If I was going to blame anyone for the environment that's been created I would blame the series of recent governments that have adopted policies that led firstly to hundreds of thousands of children being raped and tortured because they were white and weren't muslims, while the authorities looked away because they were too scared of being called racist, and more recently led the police to arrest and handcuff a young white man while he was dying, because his non-white killer had accused him of racism. These are the people who now pretend talking about this is a problem and say violence isn't the answer while refusing to do anything to address the problem people are angry about. If nothing changes I think there will be more violence. I thought Elon Musk was talking nonsense when he predicted civil war 18 months ago. I'm not so sure any more.

You really can’t see how that gurning ****weasel Farage has been gaslighting the worst elements of our society for years?

If there’s a civil war btw, it’ll be because Musk used his open sewer of a platform to provoke it.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

You really can’t see how that gurning ****weasel Farage has been gaslighting the worst elements of our society for years?

If there’s a civil war btw, it’ll be because Musk used his open sewer of a platform to provoke it.

The vile Farage and Musk certainly help pull the thread that unravels things, and do so in an opportunistic way. But the thread is there to be pulled upon.

 

[Archers Road]

The vile Farage and Musk certainly help pull the thread that unravels things, and do so in an opportunistic way. But the thread is there to be pulled upon.

If you mean people are pissed off and angry in general, and immigrants are an easy target for their misplaced rage, then yeah. I agree.

It’s a bit ironic when Farage talks about broken Britain, when he did more than anyone else to break it.