He doesn't have to resign the mayor. But he will be a dead man walking if he has to cower back to a "mayorality" after being prepared to give it up but losing a by election.
Lots of westminster candidates remain local councillors unless they win.
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Lots of westminster candidates remain local councillors unless they win.
It’s happened to me .
I had tests for condition A .
It wasn’t that , so they tested me for condition B , then they thought it might have in fact condition A .
As they had said in the first instance it wasn’t condition A , I had to go back the the bottom of the Queue .
I’m not saying if it wasn’t major that would have happened , but in my case it’s an example IMHO of massaging the figures .
It's absolutely incredible. The Labour party is so utterly devoid of talent that there is nobody currently in parliament capable of taking over from the least popular prime minister since records began.
But enough of that. I'll tell a fun story instead. In mid-2009 my flatmate at the time was made redundant. We both know people who worked in or with the Labour party (one of them worked in the office of Liam "There's no money left" Byrne). After several months living off his redundancy package my flatmate decided to go and work for the Labour party on the 2010 election. He was based in the Birmingham and Manchester area and sent me a message this week reminding me that he was at an event with Burnham during the campaign after it had become clear Labour would lose. He told Burnham's SPAD that he would be happy to work on Burnham's leadership campaign and the SPAD looked at him oddly and said "Why? He's a ****."
So this should be fun.
This is all completely nuts. I am no fan of Starmer but they need him to step down once he has served his term. I cannot see that the electorate will ever get behind Streeting and is no better than Starmer , notwithstanding the fact that his naked ambition will put people off. Raynor will appeal to those on the Left and I think will get a harsh time from the press. That leaves Burnham who is the best candidate but will lose the by-election to Reform and cause a mayoral election in Manchester which, again, Reform will win.
I just feel that Starmer is pretty listless. I wish he would be more controversial like criticise Israel, support the unions. re-join the EU and fight Reform by shutting down UK News. Annoyingly, the real story in British politics is being ignored and that is not making more of Farage's £5 million lone and looking into where Reform get funded,
I just feel that Starmer is pretty listless. I wish he would be more controversial like criticise Israel, support the unions. re-join the EU and fight Reform by shutting down UK News. Annoyingly, the real story in British politics is being ignored and that is not making more of Farage's £5 million lone and looking into where Reform get funded,
I'm sure he does because I've seen it discussed.
Yes, having looked it up he would have to resign if he won the by election because the Greater Manchester Mayor has some Police and Crime Commissioner powers and it's illegal to be an MP and a PCC at the same time.
Why do people keep saying it will cause a mayoral election in Manchester? Unless Burnham resigns the role he remains Mayor unless he wins the by election to be an MP. There is no need for him to resign. Every time you vote at a GE or by election there will be local councillors vying for the job. They don't resign their roles in case they win. They only resign IF they win.
IF he wins it yes. He doesn't have to resign unless he wins. The question I replied to asked if he has to resign before the by election. He doesn't but a lot fo people on the internet seem to think he could somehow lose the by election and then Manchester could be handed to reform when that is not true unless he choose to resign the mayorality which he does not need to do if he loses the by election.
You do not have to resign a position to stand as a candidate in any election. You only have to resign if you win......or turn down the advancement as in rare case happens. (1 reform winner last year turned down the local council win he got because he did not know he would have to resign his council job. lol)
Boris remained mayor of London until after he won his by election! He was elected MP in 2015 and was mayor of London until 2016. There is a grace period for a smooth transition.
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Ah yes. Must not have read it all correctly. I'm sure Boris served his whole term as Mayor after getting elected as an MP. I think he argued being Mayor of London was similar to being a Cabinet minister so there was no reason he couldn't do both, especially for a London constituency. Presumably they've changed the rules since.
Yes because there is a grace period for handover. He remained mayor for 12 months until his term finished. Burnham is basically running to be PM. Its a different kettle of fish to Boris' situation. Boris promised not to be take a cabinet role while he was still mayor. It would need him to resign earlier if he became PM.
Ken Livingstone was both MP and mayor at the same time as well. Same 1 year overlap.
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It could also be because lots of people on the waiting lists died
But the fact remains, the lists are getting shorter, despite the fact new people are continually being added - which you'd have to assume they are.
No. In 2010 my flatmate spoke to his SPAD who said he was ****. That's just amusing.
If anything shows he's unfit to be prime minister it's Burnham's comments that the UK shouldn't be "in hock to the bond markets". That makes it pretty clear that (like many posters in this thread) he's economically illiterate. That may be forgivable in a bunch of people chatting **** on a football forum but it's not acceptable in a potential prime minister.
Not funny .
He can’t defend himself can he ?
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I take odds with the assertion that Reform will win. This is a prime seat for tactical voting even to the extent of the Libs and Greens not standing.
The demographics of the constituency are not like Gorton and Denton which Burnham polled as being able to win. This is a predominantly white constituency 96.7% with a much higher average of 45+ voters and higher average of GCSE (no further eduction) school leavers. Went full Labour in the last election probably due to its historical old style Labour base voting against the other side (Tories) and Reform were already 2nd place there despite not being in the top 2 contention nationwide at the time.
In the last locals Reform swept the board with a weighted 49.9% to Labour's 26.9%, not just the odd bit. the turned the whole map from all red to all light blue.
Reform are now the No1 (right wing) contender and so will benefit from that "poll narrowing effect" from those that don't want Labour. Reform are predicted to win this seat based on current polling by 22% next GE!!! A vast amount of that old style Labour base has switched with not enough of Labour's new base of young and/or more affluent folks nor a high immigrant population to save their vote. I guess the old "Turkeys voting for Christmas" saying will be rolled out but then they've been voting for Labour who couldn't care less about them anymore for a long while anyway.
So Burnham would most likely have won the Gorton and Denton by election had he been allowed to stand. Makerfield will be a struggle at best for him to win however like I say. If he manages it then it does send a message out that he can beat Reform in the seats they are basically nailed on to win and that would weaken reform's polls going forward.
Tactical voting only works when you have enough anti-reform votes in the constituency and this one doesn't. It will have to be that Burnham is different to Starmer's Labour and on their side to pull them back from Reform. All about Burnham and the "Burnham effect." Tactical voting will have a very small part to play because of the demographics. Greens and Lib Dems only got 14% together in the locals so that doesn't swing it back and that is 3% up on the 2024 GE of 11%.
The New statesman is talking up the Burnham effect flipping that polling with Labour at 39% and Reform at 36%. That is from a Labour friendly publication and margin of error alone could swap those numbers so at best its now close to a head to head. How close it really is will only be seen when people vote.
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Keir Starmer won't block Andy Burnham from becoming an MP, he's relying on Reform for that.
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