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I must admit, I am struggling not to sound dismissive of religion on here, due to my non beliefs. And I do not want to do that at all as everyone has different beliefs.

From a scientific point of view more can be proved by physics than by any readings of any scriptures IMHO. I was indoctrinated as a Catholic from birth, but slowly as I looked more into the cosmos and physics, it all became a bit irrelevant to me. I do call myself a Catholic Atheist though as the indoctrination from birth has given me values, I just don't believe in a being anymore driving the (let's face it) insignificant world we inhabit in the vast cosmos.

What I do believe is that if you believe and it helps you through your life and helps you be a better person, then I really don't care what you believe in. This is my issue with religion. It is very tribal like football clubs. "My religion is better than yours". "I will have to beat you up or murder you as you are a rival religion"

I can't help but take a step back and think

"It's all bollocks really"


Or Monty Python .
 
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This Manchester story gets more and more astonishing. If someone wrote a film or TV script where Jews at a synagogue were attacked on Yom Kippur by a Muslim called Jihad who was out on after bail after being arrested on suspicion of rape, people would say the writing was dreadful, the plot was too contrived and probably suggest the author was a racist.
 
This Manchester story gets more and more astonishing. If someone wrote a film or TV script where Jews at a synagogue were attacked on Yom Kippur by a Muslim called Jihad who was out on after bail after being arrested on suspicion of rape, people would say the writing was dreadful, the plot was too contrived and probably suggest the author was a racist.
Ah, another man of God…
 
This Manchester story gets more and more astonishing. If someone wrote a film or TV script where Jews at a synagogue were attacked on Yom Kippur by a Muslim called Jihad who was out on after bail after being arrested on suspicion of rape, people would say the writing was dreadful, the plot was too contrived and probably suggest the author was a racist.

The whole incident has become quite perverse. The police appear to have killed one individual and injured another. On top of this , David Lammy was heckled and instructed to disappear to Palestine while there is currently debate as to whether the planned pro Palestine Action protests should be cancelled.

The overwriting issue here seems to have been lost insofar that why are incidents in the Middle East having serious repercussions in the UK ? The actions of Israel reiterate themselves around the globe. There is a distinct lack of recognition that a decision in Israel is no longer national but has international implications across the globe. I think that an emboldened Israel now means trouble for any country with an Islamic diaspora in addition to the countries on Israel's borders.

Most people are disgusted by yesterday's events bit I think there is a distinct issue now with foreign policies of other countries causing issues abroad whether it be Russia, Israel or America.
 
The whole incident has become quite perverse. The police appear to have killed one individual and injured another. On top of this , David Lammy was heckled and instructed to disappear to Palestine while there is currently debate as to whether the planned pro Palestine Action protests should be cancelled.

The overwriting issue here seems to have been lost insofar that why are incidents in the Middle East having serious repercussions in the UK ? The actions of Israel reiterate themselves around the globe. There is a distinct lack of recognition that a decision in Israel is no longer national but has international implications across the globe. I think that an emboldened Israel now means trouble for any country with an Islamic diaspora in addition to the countries on Israel's borders.

Most people are disgusted by yesterday's events bit I think there is a distinct issue now with foreign policies of other countries causing issues abroad whether it be Russia, Israel or America.

I mean the foreign policy of your new favourite religion could probably do with looking at too.



  • Sahih Muslim 2922 (Book of Tribulations)“The Last Hour will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews… a stone or a tree will say: O Muslim, O servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him—except the gharqad tree.”
  • Sahih al-Bukhari 2926 (Book of Jihad)“The Hour will not be established until you fight the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew is hiding will say: O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me, so kill him.”
 
The whole incident has become quite perverse. The police appear to have killed one individual and injured another. On top of this , David Lammy was heckled and instructed to disappear to Palestine while there is currently debate as to whether the planned pro Palestine Action protests should be cancelled.

The overwriting issue here seems to have been lost insofar that why are incidents in the Middle East having serious repercussions in the UK ? The actions of Israel reiterate themselves around the globe. There is a distinct lack of recognition that a decision in Israel is no longer national but has international implications across the globe. I think that an emboldened Israel now means trouble for any country with an Islamic diaspora in addition to the countries on Israel's borders.

Most people are disgusted by yesterday's events bit I think there is a distinct issue now with foreign policies of other countries causing issues abroad whether it be Russia, Israel or America.


People are full of fear and anger Ian. That seems to be a global phenomenon. And everyone thinks someone else is to blame for everything.
 
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Potential progress in the peace process in Gaza and Hamas seemingly finally willing to return the hostages after two long years.
Understand the rejection of Tony Blair or a similar “neutral” governance of a new Palestinian state by Hamas at the moment, but this region and border needs neutral enforcement or it will be back to the status quo.
 
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I distinctly remember it being cited as being a factor at the time when another female MP and colleague of Jo Cox was interviewed on Radio 4. You may be right about the time frame but the murderer did make anti immigration declamations at the time he committed the crime.

I just feel that Farage contributed to the environment which facilitated the murderer's warped perception of the world. I concede that I should have worded by post more carefully but the point was that Farage ferments hatred and he cannot expect special treatment if he has inspired protesters to do things like burn down hotels housing immigrants.

In the past extemist politicians like Enoch Powell were quickly challenged. It is disappointing that the BBC give Farage the chance to make unsupported and provocative statements. He should not expect special treatment and trust that the reduction in security will make him dial down the message.


Farage is a symptom, not the disease itself. We live in an angry, entitled world, Western civilisation appears to be in irreversible decline, democracy is undermined by wealthy private interests buying access to power, the gulf between rich and poor is wider than it's been since before the French Revolution.

Farage didn't cause any of that, but he's brilliant at exploiting it; also, he's a very British kind of populist, and some people are easily fooled by his saloon bar shtick.
 
Potential progress in the peace process in Gaza and Hamas seemingly finally willing to return the hostages after two long years.
Understand the rejection of Tony Blair or a similar “neutral” governance of a new Palestinian state by Hamas at the moment, but this region and border needs neutral enforcement or it will be back to the status quo.


If the killing stops, they can share the Nobel Prize between Blair, Trump and Satan for all I care tbh.
 
The media billionaire brexshiteer Richard Desmond who has invoked EU law to pursue his claim, will begin a bitter courtroom battle with the Gambling Commission this week that could cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of pounds in a row over the licence to run the National Lottery.

Dubai based Dirty Des is the former proprietor of titles including Asian Babes, Reader's Wives and worst of the lot the Daily Express.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...national-lottery-award-to-begin-at-high-court
 
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Trump …
“America is respected again as a country. We were not respected with Biden. They looked at him falling down stairs every day. Every day, the guy’s falling down stairs.”

Trump continued: “I said: ‘It’s not our president. We can’t have it.’ I’m very careful, you know, when I walk downstairs for – like I’m on stairs, like these stairs, I’m very – I walk very slowly. Nobody has to set a record, just try not to fall because it doesn’t work out well. A few of our presidents have fallen and it became a part of their legacy.

“We don’t want that. Need to walk nice and easy. You not have – you don’t have to set any record. Be cool, be cool when you walk down, but don’t, don’t bop down the stairs. That’s the one thing with Obama, I had zero respect for him as a president, but he would bop down those stairs, I’ve never seen – da da da da da da, bop, bop, bop, he’d go down the stairs, wouldn’t hold on. I said, it’s great, I don’t want to do it. I guess I could do it, but eventually bad things are going to happen and it only takes once, but he did a lousy job as president.”

WTF???
 
Trump …
“America is respected again as a country. We were not respected with Biden. They looked at him falling down stairs every day. Every day, the guy’s falling down stairs.”

Trump continued: “I said: ‘It’s not our president. We can’t have it.’ I’m very careful, you know, when I walk downstairs for – like I’m on stairs, like these stairs, I’m very – I walk very slowly. Nobody has to set a record, just try not to fall because it doesn’t work out well. A few of our presidents have fallen and it became a part of their legacy.

“We don’t want that. Need to walk nice and easy. You not have – you don’t have to set any record. Be cool, be cool when you walk down, but don’t, don’t bop down the stairs. That’s the one thing with Obama, I had zero respect for him as a president, but he would bop down those stairs, I’ve never seen – da da da da da da, bop, bop, bop, he’d go down the stairs, wouldn’t hold on. I said, it’s great, I don’t want to do it. I guess I could do it, but eventually bad things are going to happen and it only takes once, but he did a lousy job as president.”

WTF???
So the qualification for becoming the most powerful person on earth consists of being able to walk down stairs in a certain undefined way.
 
Trump …
“America is respected again as a country. We were not respected with Biden. They looked at him falling down stairs every day. Every day, the guy’s falling down stairs.”

Trump continued: “I said: ‘It’s not our president. We can’t have it.’ I’m very careful, you know, when I walk downstairs for – like I’m on stairs, like these stairs, I’m very – I walk very slowly. Nobody has to set a record, just try not to fall because it doesn’t work out well. A few of our presidents have fallen and it became a part of their legacy.

“We don’t want that. Need to walk nice and easy. You not have – you don’t have to set any record. Be cool, be cool when you walk down, but don’t, don’t bop down the stairs. That’s the one thing with Obama, I had zero respect for him as a president, but he would bop down those stairs, I’ve never seen – da da da da da da, bop, bop, bop, he’d go down the stairs, wouldn’t hold on. I said, it’s great, I don’t want to do it. I guess I could do it, but eventually bad things are going to happen and it only takes once, but he did a lousy job as president.”

WTF???


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