Off Topic Politics Thread

[Le Tissier's Laces]

If you were truly honest with yourself, you would know this isn’t true.

Why would you be watching a republican demo?

How many other republican / trump demos have you tuned in to watch?

You only know about this clip because it’s been broadcast to you multiple times, pretending it’s a Nazi salute.

It’s classic propaganda

Semantics, but apologies, that should read “because I watched him do it”.

It’s not propaganda though. It’s what he did, and it was shocking and deserved examination.

Anyhow, I’m not going to do this with you any longer as I say. Pointless exercise. As I said before - if it’s everyone else, then it’s probably actually you.

 

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If you were truly honest with yourself, you would know this isn’t true.

Why would you be watching a republican demo?

How many other republican / trump demos have you tuned in to watch?

You only know about this clip because it’s been broadcast to you multiple times, pretending it’s a Nazi salute.

It’s classic propaganda

The best way to prove this is a Nazi salute is to watch Charlie Kirk say it isn’t and then do a completely different gesture when asked to repeat it. Comedy Gold!

 

[Osvaldorama]

Semantics, but apologies, that should read “because I watched him do it”.

It’s not propaganda though. It’s what he did, and it was shocking and deserved examination.

Anyhow, I’m not going to do this with you any longer as I say. Pointless exercise. As I said before - if it’s everyone else, then it’s probably actually you.

Yeah, have to agree to disagree.

I just can’t believe you’ve fallen for it, that’s all. I expected it from the others, but I thought you’d be able to discern truth from propaganda

Disappointing how easy it is to trick people.

 

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Yeah, have to agree to disagree.

I just can’t believe you’ve fallen for it, that’s all. I expected it from the others, but I thought you’d be able to discern truth from propaganda

Disappointing how easy it is to trick people.

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[Le Tissier's Laces]

Yeah, have to agree to disagree.

I just can’t believe you’ve fallen for it, that’s all. I expected it from the others, but I thought you’d be able to discern truth from propaganda

Disappointing how easy it is to trick people.

Os, I haven’t ‘fallen’ for anything. I watched it myself and came to my own conclusion. I then showed it to my wife without saying anything other than showing her the clip, and she was shocked into silence. That silence was finally broken by her saying “****ing hell, no way”.

No propaganda there mate. Just two people watching a video seeing something that was patently obvious unless for some reason you want to try and deny it.

 

[Osvaldorama]

Os, I haven’t ‘fallen’ for anything. I watched it myself and came to my own conclusion. I then showed it to my wife without saying anything other than showing her the clip, and she was shocked into silence. That silence was finally broken by her saying “****ing hell, no way”.

No propaganda there mate. Just two people watching a video seeing something that was patently obvious unless for some reason you want to try and deny it.

If you weren’t presented that entire clip, with a media headline screaming the word “NAZI”, there is zero chance you would think it’s a Nazi salute

it’s the type of gesture that people make when they are not even thinking they’d be accused of being a Nazi. It’s just totally absurd accusation to make.

You watched that clip, after it was already weaponised against you, and now you’re pretending to be an objective observer.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

If you weren’t presented that entire clip, with a media headline screaming the word “NAZI”, there is zero chance you would think it’s a Nazi salute

it’s the type of gesture that people make when they are not even thinking they’d be accused of being a Nazi. It’s just totally absurd accusation to make.

You watched that clip, after it was already weaponised against you, and now you’re pretending to be an objective observer.

You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried. I didn’t say anything about it to my wife, just showed her. It’s so obvious what it was - it’s a universally recognised gesture. How is that so hard for you to understand?


Literally 100% chance I think ‘Nazi salute’ whenever I see someone do that, regardless of who it is. Every single time.

That’s as universally recognised as a ****er gesture, or a middle finger. Unless your identity has become so attached to this that you have to try and hide what it is.

 

[Osvaldorama]

You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried. I didn’t say anything about it to my wife, just showed her. It’s so obvious what it was - it’s a universally recognised gesture. How is that so hard for you to understand?


Literally 100% chance I think ‘Nazi salute’ whenever I see someone do that, regardless of who it is. Every single time.

That’s as universally recognised as a ****er gesture, or a middle finger. Unless your identity has become so attached to this that you have to try and hide what it is.

You were already preconditioned to think a certain way, otherwise why show it your wife?

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If you were show a 10 second clip of anyone doing a similar thing with headlines saying “Nazi” you would obviously fall for it again and again.

I find it absolutely wild to see how easy it is to manipulate even smart people like you. A few headlines, and a clip of absolutely nothing and people go crazy.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

You were already preconditioned to think a certain way, otherwise why show it your wife?

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If you were show a 10 second clip of anyone doing a similar thing with headlines saying “Nazi” you would obviously fall for it again and again.

I find it absolutely wild to see how easy it is to manipulate even smart people like you. A few headlines, and a clip of absolutely nothing and people go crazy.

Os, I wasn’t preconditioned. I watched it and saw what I saw. If it was ‘nothing’ I have the strength of mind to make that decision for myself. It wasn’t ‘nothing’. It’s staggering that your identity is now so embedded in this that you can’t allow yourself to see past it. Your inner child is so protective of that constructed identity, so scared to allow it to be questioned as to do so makes it feel attacked, it’s blinding you and deafening you. Hence why you need professional help.


And you somehow continue not to know the difference between a still and a video.


Anyhow, enough. I’m watching the football, and I can’t help you.

 

[Puck]

You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried. I didn’t say anything about it to my wife, just showed her. It’s so obvious what it was - it’s a universally recognised gesture. How is that so hard for you to understand?


Literally 100% chance I think ‘Nazi salute’ whenever I see someone do that, regardless of who it is. Every single time.

That’s as universally recognised as a ****er gesture, or a middle finger. Unless your identity has become so attached to this that you have to try and hide what it is.

I don't much care about this conversation but I have to point out that's not what you said at the time...

For what it’s worth, I don’t think Musk meant it as a Nazi salute, but it’s another fantastic example of a stupid clever person.

Obviously you're entitled to change your mind but it clearly wasn't obvious to you at the time.

 

[Osvaldorama]

I don't much care about this conversation but I have to point out that's not what you said at the time...


Obviously you're entitled to change your mind but it clearly wasn't obvious to you at the time.

This is what happens when someone is propagandised

It works insidiously over time. They repeat the same thing over and over until people believe it.

Exactly what happened here. Works even on smart people like LTL

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

I don't much care about this conversation but I have to point out that's not what you said at the time...


Obviously you're entitled to change your mind but it clearly wasn't obvious to you at the time.

Fair point. I don’t think he did mean it as in “I am a Nazi” - I still don’t. But at best he should know that doing that action is really ill-advised. At worst he’s doing it as a provocation.

The more I’ve watched him and seen how he is, the more I think now it was the latter too. So yes, I have changed my mind slightly on it, though not on the nature of what that action is.

 

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I think Charlie Kirk is one of the most odious little windbags who makes a career out of arguing with emotional students and editing out decent arguments, but here he quite happily proves it was a nazi salute - at least by optics as he totally refuses to repeat Musk’s action:

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By the way, the guy arguing with him is no better.
Morons all of them.

 

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You were already preconditioned to think a certain way, otherwise why show it your wife?

You must log in or register to see images

If you were show a 10 second clip of anyone doing a similar thing with headlines saying “Nazi” you would obviously fall for it again and again.

I find it absolutely wild to see how easy it is to manipulate even smart people like you. A few headlines, and a clip of absolutely nothing and people go crazy.

Can you show me the video of this?

 

[Osvaldorama]

Fair point. I don’t think he did mean it as in “I am a Nazi” - I still don’t. But at best he should know that doing that action is really ill-advised. At worst he’s doing it as a provocation.

The more I’ve watched him and seen how he is, the more I think now it was the latter too. So yes, I have changed my mind slightly on it, though not on the nature of what that action is.

Basically, he’s not a Nazi. Yet hundreds of articles of propaganda have been pushed into your eyes. Now you think he’s a Nazi.

lol.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Basically, he’s not a Nazi. Yet hundreds of articles of propaganda have been pushed into your eyes. Now you think he’s a Nazi.

lol.

No I don’t. Once again your inner child is so loud you don’t listen to things. I’ve said today to you, I don’t think he’s a Nazi, I think he did a Nazi salute. I even said I don’t think he is in the very thing you quote.

Stop, read, try and understand.

 

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Basically, he’s not a Nazi. Yet hundreds of articles of propaganda have been pushed into your eyes. Now you think he’s a Nazi.

lol.

Can you show me video of one Democrat doing a nazi salute please?

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Can you show me video of one Democrat doing a nazi salute please?

If someone scored a goal on the football pitch, then did the same action in the same way Musk did, they’d be sent off and banned. Probably have their contract ripped up by their club. Wonder why that is?

(Unless they played for Lazio, probably…)

 

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If someone scored a goal on the football pitch, then did the same action in the same way Musk did, they’d be sent off and banned. Probably have their contract ripped up by their club. Wonder why that is?

I remember it being done by DiCanio…

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

I remember it being done by DiCanio…

Exactly.

If you went to a game and started doing that, in the same way, you’d be ejected from the ground and would likely end up being banned from football grounds for a number of years.

Without any ‘propaganda’, funnily enough.

Why?

Because everybody knows what that action is, and what it means. Everyone.