Off Topic Politics Thread

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Osvaldorama said:
It will never fail to blow my mind how well propaganda and the media works on people.

You have been completely conditioned into supporting something completely insane. It’s quite incredible to hear/watch this stuff play out in real time.

The EU has very little strength without America. I don’t know why people are pretending otherwise.

Not to mention the cost. And the impact on the climate for all this military might that you seem gleeful to cheer on. How can you claim you care about climate change and then advocate for more war?

The left make no sense to me at all
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Pot calling Kettle black, are you saying your opinions are not based on the propaganda that you have listened to?
 
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Le Tissier's Laces said:
What we don’t need right now, globally, is silly twats like Musk saying that the US should pull out of the UN and NATO. That’s deeply unhelpful, and one of the myriad reasons someone like him should be nowhere near the levers of power.
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What we didn’t need is the UN, US and NATO causing a lot of this situation to begin with.

Here is a clip from before the war where they explain live TV how they are influencing Russian and Ukrainian politics:

https://x.com/defiyantlyfree/status/1896413037944578421?s=46

The left and the Globalists are extremely happy to pretend like they played no part in this now; but actually this was the intended outcome from 2014
 
SAINTOSPREY said:
Pot calling Kettle black, are you saying your opinions are not based on the propaganda that you have listened to?
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I am aware that there is heavy propaganda from most sides, but most people on here seem to think the only propaganda comes from Putin/trump and ignore the endless guff from the other side
 
Osvaldorama said:
I am aware that there is heavy propaganda from most sides, but most people on here seem to think the only propaganda comes from Putin/trump and ignore the endless guff from the other side
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Your opinion again, insulting the intelligence of people that hold a different view.
 
Osvaldorama said:
What we didn’t need is the UN, US and NATO causing a lot of this situation to begin with.

Here is a clip from before the war where they explain live TV how they are influencing Russian and Ukrainian politics:

https://x.com/defiyantlyfree/status/1896413037944578421?s=46

The left and the Globalists are extremely happy to pretend like they played no part in this now; but actually this was the intended outcome from 2014
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Joe Rogan again. Where Os gets all his political capital. Joe Rogan watching an entertainment show is the basis for his knowledge.
 
Osvaldorama said:
Basically since WW2, the USA has been ‘forcing’ Europe to de-militarise and effectively saying they will be our protector. Our politicians over here were silly enough to believe that the arrangement could go on forever.

They didn’t nationalise or protect our energy, they outsourced all of our manufacturing and hollowed out British engineering. Then they didn’t count on being effectively betrayed by American selfishness- even though there is some precedent for this (eg the Suez Crisis)

Essentially we allowed ourselves to be bullied into being vassal states of the US and now they have flipped the script on us.
It’s awful but also sort of expected if we had vaguely competent leadership for the last few decades. Unfortunately we have been largely governed by incompetent morons for many years now.

But what we definitely DONT need is our European leaders suddenly thinking they are billy big bollocks and thinking we can go toe to toe with Russia because that is absolutely ludicrous and suicidal.

Almost all of our military prowess is reliant on America in some way
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Just to correct, it is the reverse of the bold. The Thatcher years denationalised most of those things - energy, rail, telecoms etc. By busting the unions and denationalising British Steel, essentially a lot of British engineering that wasn't extremely high end (which we are still incredible at in this country) was decimated. There's a degree of irony here because I would guess that a lot of us here that you refer to as 'lefties' (I'm not a lefty despite the label being flung my way) would be in favour of re-nationalising if there was a way.

The issue is that we have become use to standard of living and to an extent that is built on borrowing that keeps taxes relatively low.

And please don't flippantly say that you would use the nukes. You are better than that.

While I do see your point about de-militarisation, it's not entirely accurate. The bigger picture is about using NATO as an alliance to be the protector. Obviously as the major economic power, the USA is the largest partner. Foreign policy for decades was to dominate militarily and culturally in no small part to stop the spread of communism.
 
SAINTOSPREY said:
If you have studied the conflict since day one, you wll realise he has worn the same style of dress everywhere he has gone, it's his trademark. Would you say a kippah or a turban should be removed as it's rude to wear a hat in the White House?
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Exactly, it's the same as he wore meeting Starmer and the King, no one complaining about that.
 
Mostlymadeofwater said:
Just to correct, it is the reverse of the bold. The Thatcher years denationalised most of those things - energy, rail, telecoms etc. By busting the unions and denationalising British Steel, essentially a lot of British engineering that wasn't extremely high end (which we are still incredible at in this country) was decimated. There's a degree of irony here because I would guess that a lot of us here that you refer to as 'lefties' (I'm not a lefty despite the label being flung my way) would be in favour of re-nationalising if there was a way.

The issue is that we have become use to standard of living and to an extent that is built on borrowing that keeps taxes relatively low.

And please don't flippantly say that you would use the nukes. You are better than that.

While I do see your point about de-militarisation, it's not entirely accurate. The bigger picture is about using NATO as an alliance to be the protector. Obviously as the major economic power, the USA is the largest partner. Foreign policy for decades was to dominate militarily and culturally in no small part to stop the spread of communism.
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I would never flippantly suggest using nukes, I am not sure where you got that from. Everything I post is my view on how to stop that eventuality from occurring.

I agree with most of your post here, especially the last part.

The attempt to dominate culturally and militarily was extremely successful - arguably too successful in that the rest of the West has become so reliant on American taxpayer’s money.

I think their new-found self interest is largely logical. It’s fair that they question why they are spending trillions more to defend Europe, than Europe does itself.

They just miss the earlier context that the reason for this is largely because America wanted this to happen.

I also understand why Putin sees NATO as an aggressor, especially in recent years. I think it’s completely disingenuous when people pretend that nato are innocent
 
Osvaldorama said:
What we didn’t need is the UN, US and NATO causing a lot of this situation to begin with.

Here is a clip from before the war where they explain live TV how they are influencing Russian and Ukrainian politics:

https://x.com/defiyantlyfree/status/1896413037944578421?s=46

The left and the Globalists are extremely happy to pretend like they played no part in this now; but actually this was the intended outcome from 2014
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Struggling to see your problem here - so the US encouraged Ukraine not to be a vassal state to Russia, despite a $15bn bribe from Putin to his lackey that was president at the time? How is that a shock?

Honestly Os, if I thought you would keep to it, I'd 100% pay for a 3 (6, 12, whatever) month subscription to The Times (properly well resourced journalism, with opinion and comment pieces that you may agree with or disagree with, but made by people who have a clue about things like history and politics) if you committed to not going on to Twitter for those three months. It would do you the world of good. That Insurrection Barbie character (one of Musk's favourites, as you know) is an absolute cesspool of lies. You're being radicalised by being on there, the algorithm has got you well hooked in its poisonous claws. It's a genuine offer though, because it's horrible to see this play out.
 
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