Off Topic Politics Thread

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I think that is unduly harsh. It is not as if Iranian assassins are around each corner trying to bump off SAS operatives who themselves are far more thoroughly wrapped up in war crimes. He was an idiot but the fact he put our military in harm is overstated.

He deserves a prison sentence but I feel this just makes us seem as bad as Putin's Russia.
Ian, he knew full well what he was doing. To betray your country while being an active member of the armed forces is a serious offence. He also escaped from prison - he only got 2 years and 3 months for that when the maximum sentence is life. He could be out in 7 years. That is a long way from Russian justice.
 
I think that is unduly harsh. It is not as if Iranian assassins are around each corner trying to bump off SAS operatives who themselves are far more thoroughly wrapped up in war crimes. He was an idiot but the fact he put our military in harm is overstated.

He deserves a prison sentence but I feel this just makes us seem as bad as Putin's Russia.

Bloody hell.
 
At current rate I am doubting he sees the end of these four years.

I don’t mean that as an endorsement of violence, but factually he is going to severely piss off a lot of people, many of whom will be armed, some very skilled and as he is ****ing around with the Secret Service who provide his protection, he could well degrade his own security detail. Also although he represents the ‘tech bro’ oligarchy, there are a lot of very powerful corporate interests that stand to lose out due to Trumps behaviour, including with the US military-industrial complex.

Musk is another one who must be severely risking his personal safety on his current trajectory.

US citizens are not as easy (and safe) to control as Russians are and the wannabe oligarchs are playing a very dangerous game imo.

And unlike Putin the US leaders seem to have a level of hubris that blinds them to risks, Putin definitely has hubris, but comes across as being very aware of his own safety, possibly to the point of paranoia.

No possibly about it - Putin is VERY paranoid.
 
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Ah ……… but is the Gov (any) in favour!?
 
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Ian, he knew full well what he was doing. To betray your country while being an active member of the armed forces is a serious offence. He also escaped from prison - he only got 2 years and 3 months for that when the maximum sentence is life. He could be out in 7 years. That is a long way from Russian justice.

Tom

No one died as a consequence of Khalife taking the photos and I think he was more of a charlatan and idiot for contacting the Iranians than a criminal. When you compare his sentence (for a crime for which there were no victims and no damage ) it is completely over the top in comparison with the recent sentenced for the murders in Southport or other crimes which have caught the ear of the media.

Given that he was of Iranian descent,..what on earth were the army thinking of when employing him ?
 
yeah I mean the army should only recruit white British descent people.

Given that Iran is one of the principle foreign powers engaged in cyber crimes against UK, then I would have thought Khalife would have been vetted more thoroughly than he was.

I am not suggesting that the military engage in racist recruitment and they are open to employ who they wish. This is why so many people in the British Army come from places like Fiji. I just feel that the Army's problem was of their own making.
 
Yes, but extending that chess analogy, isn't he the pigeon who knocks over the pieces before ****ting all over the board and declaring victory? So knowing he's an idiot capable of anything, doesn't make him any easier to deal with, it just turns al negotiation into farce.
Exactly. And as your analogy demonstrates, with Trump a win is whatever he thinks it is, he may trash the US, but as long as he’s got power then, for him, it’s a win
 
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What a day for those pro Palestinian US voters who refused to vote for Harris.
Those were always a unique kind of stupid person. Even by American standards. The “hard left” of America are actually nuts. Even if not “hard left” in real terms. But I mean the lefties whose purity test was Israel/gaza and would absolutely haul the democrats over the coals for not just muscling back into the Middle East. Well - this is what you get