Trump and Biden are both horrible horrible human beings. The amount of blood on Bidens hands in the Middle East makes him far from a decent man
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Interesting twist on footballs stance on diversity and inclusion?
“Football welcomes players from all backgrounds, including members of the community who are strongly opposed to the principles of diversity and inclusion”
“Football welcomes players from all backgrounds, including members of the community who are strongly opposed to the principles of diversity and inclusion”
Rupert Lowe just confirmed that in 2023 “the total amount of Universal Credit paid to households where one or both claimants were refugees was £726M.”
This is ABSURD. When pensioners and the rest of us are being mugged off.
This is ABSURD. When pensioners and the rest of us are being mugged off.
So glad you have found something to fuel your anger about other people. I am a pensioner and I am grateful these people have found a safe haven. I’m guessing you would cut foreign aid too, which would inevitably lead to, guess what, more refugees.
I would like to see the source instead of Lowe who in past has been an unreliable and incorrect source. I'm also a pensioner and happy to contribute.
Led by donkeys,
Dear friends,
This morning, we filled the entirety of Parliament Square in London with a banner quoting a leading Israeli Holocaust Professor who says Israel’s assault on Gaza now constitutes a genocide.
Professor Amos Goldberg has researched and taught the Holocaust, genocide and state violence for 30 years. In a statement issued to coincide with the Parliament Square protest, the respected author and scholar says: “Yes, it’s a genocide. And once you come to this conclusion you cannot remain silent.”
All of our projects are considered carefully as we develop and deliver them, but perhaps none more so than this one because of the seriousness of the indictment. But as Professor Goldberg says, once you are clear in your own mind that a genocide is being committed, it becomes imperative to speak up and name it.
Professor Goldberg is not the only Israeli scholar to say the assault on Gaza is a genocide. Professor Omer Bartov is a Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies at Brown University in the US. He says: "This is clearly an operation whose goal is to destroy the ability of Palestinians to live in that area as a group. And in my definition, that is genocide."
You can hear Professor Goldberg's words in the film of today's intervention or read his statement in full below.
You can view our film here on Instagram, BlueSky, Facebook, Twitter, TikTok and YouTube.
Dear friends,
This morning, we filled the entirety of Parliament Square in London with a banner quoting a leading Israeli Holocaust Professor who says Israel’s assault on Gaza now constitutes a genocide.
Professor Amos Goldberg has researched and taught the Holocaust, genocide and state violence for 30 years. In a statement issued to coincide with the Parliament Square protest, the respected author and scholar says: “Yes, it’s a genocide. And once you come to this conclusion you cannot remain silent.”
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All of our projects are considered carefully as we develop and deliver them, but perhaps none more so than this one because of the seriousness of the indictment. But as Professor Goldberg says, once you are clear in your own mind that a genocide is being committed, it becomes imperative to speak up and name it.
Professor Goldberg is not the only Israeli scholar to say the assault on Gaza is a genocide. Professor Omer Bartov is a Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies at Brown University in the US. He says: "This is clearly an operation whose goal is to destroy the ability of Palestinians to live in that area as a group. And in my definition, that is genocide."
You can hear Professor Goldberg's words in the film of today's intervention or read his statement in full below.
You can view our film here on Instagram, BlueSky, Facebook, Twitter, TikTok and YouTube.
More donkeywork
We’ve updated our Clacton billboard to tell voters their MP just took £40k from a US firm that advises clients how to offshore their money and pay less tax.
We’ve updated our Clacton billboard to tell voters their MP just took £40k from a US firm that advises clients how to offshore their money and pay less tax.
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Led by donkeys are ****ing idiots who are raging FOR the machine, not against it
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/12/05/the-genocide-lie/
UK tap water safety at risk after testing labs shut down
Europe sharing Labs, UK Labs all closed and unable to share due to Brexit. New treatments need approval
Brexit, the gift that just keeps on giving
Return of small beer?
Europe sharing Labs, UK Labs all closed and unable to share due to Brexit. New treatments need approval
Brexit, the gift that just keeps on giving
Return of small beer?
I'll take Amnesty International and LBD over a frothing and foaming spiked article written by a twat that doesn't or doesn't want to understand criticism of Israel's actions in Gaza isn't anti-Semitism or in anyway condones or supports Hamas and the events of 7/10.
Playing devil’s advocate here.
If those figures are true, and 44,000 people have been killed in this war, then that’s 7,000 more than were killed when Britain firebombed Hamburg in WW2. That killed, conservatively, 37,000 in ONE NIGHT, and they were mostly civilians.
The following night, the bombers were told to go back and bomb again. The pilots questioned why, as the city was on fire, to which the reply was that they had missed a post office complex, which was now being used as an emergency centre, so they were to go back and finish it off. They did.
It was a brutal, brutal policy, but one that was felt necessary in order to break the will of civilian Germans, and turn them against the Nazis.
Hamas, Hezbollah and their ilk are worse than the Nazis, they just don’t have the military might to carry out atrocities at the same level.
So, my question being, were the allies wrong to pursue that policy, and were the allies guilty of ‘genocide’?
Those firebombings are now considered war crimes by very many people. The allies were determined not just to win but enact revenge. The firebombing of Dresden was another such brutal act of mass murder on a civilian population.
Yes, the allies were guilty. Yes, Israel has gone too far.
Tend to agree, but then the word genocide was never floated, and what the allies did then was far worse than what Israel have done.
But the word genocide was indeed floated. The Russian / East German regime that took control of Dresden called the firebombing a genocide.
The greatest similarity is that both forces have unduly targeted women, children and the elderly. I don’t care about the word genocide, but I do care about innocents being killed.
It's all ****ing awful, difficult for me to condone the bombing in hindsight of course. I regard the Nazis and Hamas/Hezbollah in the same breath.
I refused, during my time at a government research establishment, to work on weapons systems and later in life worked for a short time on a Windscale project, left early not happy with the engineering standards and turned down any nuclear job offers. I'd probably would have been a concihencive objector had i been called up.
But it was seen as a necessary move to shatter any support for a fundamental evil (hence why it purposefully targeted civilians). That's far worse than what Israel are doing, yet it needs to be remembered that the end goal for Israel is the same as it was for the Allies - to destroy a fundamental evil.
War is absolutely ****, and people get killed. I do think Israel have probably gone too far, and I have no time for Bibi, but there's a hysterical reaction to what they're doing which really shows a lack of understanding as to the how we got here, and what needs doing parts. Not to mention a complete underestimation of just how ****ing horrible the likes of Hamas, Hezbollah and the various Iranian sponsored militias are.
Was it seen as necessary or was it justified as necessary? Very different things. The German people were starving to death. They were also of European sensibilities and nothing like the fanatical Japanese. Sometimes, when someone hurts your people, you can’t differentiate the emotions of vengeance from the needs of the moment. Even Churchill knew those terror bombings had gone too far.
The side that wins always says it fights for good, but to really be respected for that, you have to treat the innocents in the defeated side with humanity and care.
I hope after this horrible war, Israel can find a peaceful way to exist in that region.
Who knows mate. Would be interesting to see if it was supported at the time. With hindsight it could be seen to have gone too far, but I wonder how you or I would have felt then about it? And that's kind of the point. Everyone is judging Israel as having gone too far immediately in this world of 24 hour news and social media. I don't know if they have, or if they haven't gone far enough to be able to do your last line. I'm not willing to make that judgement with any confidence right now.