Off Topic Politics Thread

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ChilcoSaint said:
The Grenfell Inquiry has now been published. I listened to the statements by chair Sir Martin Moore-Bick and his colleagues and I feel sickened and shocked, not just by the horror of the fire itself, but the staggering levels of greed, incompetence, corruption and dishonesty in the construction industry, the emergency services, and in all levels of local and national government which led to this entirely avoidable tragedy.

It falls upon Keir Starmer’s government to begin to redress the shocking mess and begin to give the victims and their families some justice.
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You are right, it's a combination of all the failures you mention and it is shocking. The victims families are obviously a priority in however they can be compensated for such an awful experience but what will the law do? There are so many responsible for this disaster it will be remarkable if they are all held to account. I hope it's not just one or two easy targets that carry the can but the whole despicable bunch.

I read this earlier in the week so I had some idea of what was coming today. It obviously won't have the detail of the enquiry but it is a good account of what was involved.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62305qx946o
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
The Grenfell Inquiry has now been published. I listened to the statements by chair Sir Martin Moore-Bick and his colleagues and I feel sickened and shocked, not just by the horror of the fire itself, but the staggering levels of greed, incompetence, corruption and dishonesty in the construction industry, the emergency services, and in all levels of local and national government which led to this entirely avoidable tragedy.

It falls upon Keir Starmer’s government to begin to redress the shocking mess and begin to give the victims and their families some justice.
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What also needs to be addressed is who foots the bill for remedial work on the large number of buildings since found with sub standard cladding and other materials. It certainly shouldn't be the unfortunate owners.
 
It's Only A Game said:
You are right, it's a combination of all the failures you mention and it is shocking. The victims families are obviously a priority in however they can be compensated for such an awful experience but what will the law do? There are so many responsible for this disaster it will be remarkable if they are all held to account. I hope it's not just one or two easy targets that carry the can but the whole despicable bunch.

I read this earlier in the week so I had some idea of what was coming today. It obviously won't have the detail of the enquiry but it is a good account of what was involved.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62305qx946o
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Listening to the statements from the victims’ families this morning, the overwhelming sentiment is that there has to be prosecutions of those responsible. Not just corporate prosecutions either, but the individuals in the companies and councils, and in government, who made the fatal decisions. What happened with the Hillsborough victims, where they had to wait until those responsible had all died before being found guilty, must never be allowed to happen again.
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
Listening to the statements from the victims’ families this morning, the overwhelming sentiment is that there has to be prosecutions of those responsible. Not just corporate prosecutions either, but the individuals in the companies and councils, and in government, who made the fatal decisions. What happened with the Hillsborough victims, where they had to wait until those responsible had all died before being found guilty, must never be allowed to happen again.
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Apparently, in May this year, the police said that the decision on criminal charges will not come before the end of 2026.
Don’t know why it takes so long.
 
San Tejón said:
I see that Starmer has been critical of the dynamic pricing system that is being used to sell Oasis tickets, with hints that the law might be changed to prevent this practice from continuing.
The way I see it, dynamic pricing is just another example of supply and demand, which is another way consumers get ripped off especially in the travel and tourism industry.
In my opinion, if the government stops dynamic pricing for concerts tickets then they really have to look at the price increases for holidays and travel during school holidays, because those industries are doing exactly the same as the ticket sellers, the only difference being that the prices can be seen in advance.
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These are 2 different things. Flights and hotels are showing you the increased price for the peak period up front. The Oasis ticket prices were announced on Thursday and the dynamic pricing model did not show you the increased price up front, it only showed it at the selection screen with a short time countdown to pay. Ticketmaster did not actually show any price on their site at all! They kept the display as 0.00 even after the price announcements on Thursday.......I suspect thinking this is an argument that they did not falsely advertise anything!

Like the airlines were forced to stop advertising their tickets at a different price to the final price back in the day when they were not including online check in charges that were compulsory nor the "admin fees" for using cards that no-one has.

Its a "false advertising" angle, not an actual attack on supply and demand.
 
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It's Only A Game said:
You are right, it's a combination of all the failures you mention and it is shocking. The victims families are obviously a priority in however they can be compensated for such an awful experience but what will the law do? There are so many responsible for this disaster it will be remarkable if they are all held to account. I hope it's not just one or two easy targets that carry the can but the whole despicable bunch.

I read this earlier in the week so I had some idea of what was coming today. It obviously won't have the detail of the enquiry but it is a good account of what was involved.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62305qx946o
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7 years of inquiry? No arrests, no criminal cases yet? You have to ask if this is the best way forward!. Should criminal investigation be first and inquiry after? Or should inquiries be much quicker? There is a tendency in these enquiries for the parties involved in the "defence" side of it to hand over so much bumf as to prolongue or make it harder to notice the actual necessary information!
 
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ImpSaint said:
7 years of inquiry? No arrests, no criminal cases yet? You have to ask if this is the best way forward!. Should criminal investigation be first and inquiry after? Or should inquiries be much quicker? There is a tendency in these enquiries for the parties involved in the "defence" side of it to hand over so much bumf as to prolongue or make it harder to notice the actual necessary information!
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One candidate for prosecution surely has to be the former Mayor of London, who inflicted some £130 million of cuts on the London Fire Service, leading to the loss of thousands of firefighters and a drop of 25% in fire prevention measures.

I won’t sully my keypad by writing his name, but you know who I’m talking about. Later in his career he pretended to be Prime Minister.
 
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I think Labour will be starting the process to get their New Deal for Working People into the House today but maybe a little late for people who work for Óscar Mayer, a ready meal company based in Wrexham.


Staff at Oscar Mayer, in Wrexham, are being hit with a £2,000 pay cut as bosses plan to take away paid breaks and overtime rates for bank holidays.

Those who do not agree to losing what we are told is around 10% of their take home pay are being threatened with fire and rehire.
 
Well written and humorous but reining in the excesses of dynamic pricing would score points for the new government. It may be that the Oasis debacle contravines existing legitation, can but hope, some fans are looking back in anger.
 
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