Off Topic Politics Thread

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Sometimes you come across like you are trying to be ignorant for the sake of it.

We DID speak to Sinn Fein as part of ending the troubles in Northern Ireland. Without doing so we would not have ended those troubles.

You want to speak to Russia (as does Corbyn, by the way) to end this war.

So you are saying there is no comparison between:

Putin.............................................................. Sinn Fein
Political.......................................................... Political
Ongoing conflict ........................................... Ongoing conflict
Explicit links to terrorist acts......................... Explicit links to terrorist acts
Corbyn backs a dialogue.............................. Corbyn backs a dialogue
Has perpetrated terrorist act in London........ You get the idea....

Let's be clear. You are saying there is no comparison at all? Not one shred of comparison?
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<laugh>

I’m going to stop this convo now because I find it genuinely mental.

No Putin is not a terrorist. He is an elected (fraudulently or not) leader of a global super power that has nuclear weapons.

You cannot possibly equate him with a small terrorist group and lump them in together.

What you are saying is completely mad.
 
Osvaldorama said:
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I’m going to stop this convo now because I find it genuinely mental.

No Putin is not a terrorist. He is an elected (fraudulently or not) leader of a global super power that has nuclear weapons.

You cannot possibly equate him with a small terrorist group and lump them in together.

What you are saying is completely mad.
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Lost the argument, change the terms of reference.?.. sad is being kind.
 
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Archers Road said:
Much as I enjoy watching the Conservative Party eat itself, I’m actually quite disturbed at the prospect of it morphing into a Farage inspired, US Republican like populist monstrosity. That would not be good for our increasingly fragile democracy.
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I wouldn't worry too much at this stage, I think there is a lot of artificially generated hype and noise. Although he could well get himself and Tice into the Commons this election.

Next election is probably the one we need to watch out for if the Conservatives truly collapse, but personally i'll believe the Tories collapse to that extent when I see it.

Farage is nowhere near as popular here as Trump is in the US at the moment.
 
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Archers Road said:
Much as I enjoy watching the Conservative Party eat itself, I’m actually quite disturbed at the prospect of it morphing into a Farage inspired, US Republican like populist monstrosity. That would not be good for our increasingly fragile democracy.
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It's exactly what happened in Canada. The Progressive Conservatives (a strange anachronism of a name) got wiped out in 1993, with our own Reform Party coming to the fore. The two later merged, but with the Reform types holding most of the power.

The good news is that one of the factors that allowed that to happen isn't likely to present here. Canadian Reform was very much a regional party initially, based in the Prairies, so they were able to build a sizable caucus from a fairly meagre percentage of the popular vote. Farage's outfit doesn't have the same advantage, so there's every chance that their surge in popular vote translates to perhaps a couple seats.
 
Archers Road said:
Much as I enjoy watching the Conservative Party eat itself, I’m actually quite disturbed at the prospect of it morphing into a Farage inspired, US Republican like populist monstrosity. That would not be good for our increasingly fragile democracy.
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I was actually thinking that if Farage ends up running the Tory party it might drive those supporters, who consider themselves right of centre, into Starmer’s arms, with his straddling the centre line approach.
I know they have voted for some horror shows but is Farage too far to the right even for them?
 
Shandy_top_89 said:
I wouldn't worry too much at this stage, I think there is a lot of artificially generated hype and noise. Although he could well get himself and Tice into the Commons this election.

Next election is probably the one we need to watch out for if the Conservatives truly collapse, but personally i'll believe the Tories collapse to that extent when I see it.

Farage is nowhere near as popular here as Trump is in the US at the moment.
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Probably because the UK (despite the reports) is nowhere near as racist, Godfearing and conspiracy theorising as the US......Over there huge amounts of folks are absolutely mental
 
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Someone taking a Rush song lyrics and adapting them to their cartoon?

There is unrest in the forest
Trouble with the trees
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas

The trouble with the maples
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade

There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream, "Oppression"
And the oaks just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
They say, "The oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light"
Now there's no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw
 
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ImpSaint said:
Probably because the UK (despite the reports) is nowhere near as racist, Godfearing and conspiracy theorising as the US......Over there huge amounts of folks are absolutely mental
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The US also has a genuine culture war going on.

They have genuine racial tension.
They have a war on women’s rights over their own bodies.
They have intense conflict over basics like sex education.
They have a system that separates church and state that isn’t working, as religious ideology dominates policy.
 
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