Off Topic Politics Thread

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The standard activities of an average president on a daily basis are more morally reprehensible than any of these charges.

Send billions of dollars in weapons to murderous regimes around the world? Whatever. Bomb school children? Whatever. Cover up Epstein’s Island? Fine.

Pay off a stripper?
THAT deserves the utmost condemnation!!!

Those charges are complete BS and the timing is designed to stop Trump winning the election. I am sure deep down you can see this.
We can quibble about how the US works and morals vs laws if you really like. But some of the things you mentioned don’t break any laws. Trump did

These trials have happened when they have because time is needed to gather evidence and then Trump always gets them delayed. He has done it for years. And they would still be happening if he wasn’t standing or if he had lost the primary
 
Pay off an adult film star to silence any claims and therefore influence the election by burying any adverse publicity. Then put it down as legal fees rather than put it through the books as what it was.

I think that was what he has been convicted of?
It’s more convenient to deliberately misrepresent what he was on trial for and claim it was just for paying someone off. It’s what Fox News have done constantly. But that isn’t the crime
 
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Those of us following another round of Os Bingo have a new box to tick:

“Weaponisation of the justice system”

They’re all doing it, some geezer rang LBC and said pretty much exactly the same stuff as Os, verbatim. He was from Durham, although that may have been the globalist mainstream media corrupting his whereabouts or something.

By the way, Os, in what universe is the USA the biggest country in the world?
 
He was charged with a misdemeanour. Which they then told the jury to make up (one of 3) crimes to pretend he had committed.

Scam trial. Weaponised justice system.

If you believe Biden had no influence on this then you’re even dumber than I thought. The judge literally donated to Biden campaign LOL

All I can think about is the USSR and how I used to find it incomprehensible how political censorship and discourse was so obviously corrupt. I used to wonder how it happened that there was no rule of law, only the rule of the state. Now I fully understand it
Except you’ve demonstrated that you don’t understand pretty much anything about this. You don’t even realise he was charged with 34 crimes. You say he was charged with a misdemeanour. No - it was 34 criminal counts. If you can’t get that far then there isn’t a lot of hope

Also - why are you talking about a judge that merely donated to Biden (or so you claim, I think it was his daughter) and not the one that was actually appointed by Trump who is sandbagging the classified documents case. Show some consistency. Why should she be a judge against Trump when you are saying it’s a problem that someone with a less significant connection to Biden is a problem? I’d ask you to explain that but assume you will ignore it and micro focus on something else in the post that you think supports your point
 
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Questions that occur to me …

Is this the Osvaldorama Thread or the Politics thread?
Is Osvaldorama a bot?
Is Osvaldorama the Conspiracist or the Conspiracy?
When will I get the chance to utilise my new cheese pun?
I can answer the last one - in the transfer thread when it goes quiet for more than, I’d say, two days ?
 
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Plenty of happy people on here today. So pleased for you.
Nov 5th will be a day of reckoning.

Only in the US can a spoilt billionaire who has repeatedly ripped off ordinary people become a folk hero. Here is a man who was found to have created a whole University to defraud people out of millions of dollars - which he admitted and paid out for. Here is a man who has avoided £400 million in tax over the last two decades - who doesn't pay his way in society. Here is a man who has bankrupted countless subsidiary companies yet still claims he is a business success. Here is a man who openly asks for violence against dissenting voices and journalists. Here is a man who runs for the Conservative party - which is all about the sanctity of marriage - while paying hush money to a prostitute he cheated on his wife with. Here is a man who claims if he likes a woman he can grab her by the pussy.

The list of things which make this guy deplorable is endless. Why on Earth are you backing him? All these things I list are facts. There is no arguing with them. Yet, what, your opinion of the inflated orange cookie monster - the guy who tried to bully a whole Scottish village so he could build a golf course - is that he is great?

My brain is melting.
 
Plenty of happy people on here today. So pleased for you.
Nov 5th will be a day of reckoning.

I’m not happy. I think the whole situation is desperately sad, and the creaking failure of a once great nation. The fact it’s come to this, the fact that some people are still somehow taken in by the cult thinking around this man (as mentioned by Loading). The fact that it’s become so tribal. The fact that the alternate choice would be nobodies idea of a proper person to hold that office either.

It’s desperately sad. And worrying. But the saddest of all of this, is those that continue to try and defend him. He’s an appalling human.
 
Only in the US can a spoilt billionaire who has repeatedly ripped off ordinary people become a folk hero. Here is a man who was found to have created a whole University to defraud people out of millions of dollars - which he admitted and paid out for. Here is a man who has avoided £400 million in tax over the last two decades - who doesn't pay his way in society. Here is a man who has bankrupted countless subsidiary companies yet still claims he is a business success. Here is a man who openly asks for violence against dissenting voices and journalists. Here is a man who runs for the Conservative party - which is all about the sanctity of marriage - while paying hush money to a prostitute he cheated on his wife with. Here is a man who claims if he likes a woman he can grab her by the pussy.

The list of things which make this guy deplorable is endless. Why on Earth are you backing him? All these things I list are facts. There is no arguing with them. Yet, what, your opinion of the inflated orange cookie monster - the guy who tried to bully a whole Scottish village so he could build a golf course - is that he is great?

My brain is melting.
This the introduction to Trumped. An epic David and Goliath tale of money, power and resistance. A small Scottish community battle Donald Trump’s dream to create the world’s greatest golf course in their backyard.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hb0prf
This episode 8 the Epilogue. Those in between detail the machinations of Trump.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hmls55

"FORMER US president Donald Trump, his companies, and some executives have been found to have fraudulently inflated the valuations of non-existent Scottish golf club properties by up to £200 million.

The Herald reports this was part of a scheme to dupe banks and to borrow more at lower rates.

It comes as it emerged the Aberdeen club’s operating company has run at a deficit since it opened in 2012 and has amassed total losses of more than £13 million in the ensuing 11 years.

A US judge found it had been wrongly stated that 2500 homes had already been built as part of a project associated with the loss-making Trump International Golf Club in Aberdeen.

There was planning permission to build only 500 and no development had taken place.

The Trump Organisation had been accused by New York Attorney General Letitia James of inflating prices by producing false financial statements that inflated Trump’s net worth.

The Attorney General said this was “particularly egregious in light of Trump’s decision to indefinitely postpone all development plans” after the Scottish Government approved nearby offshore wind farm plans.

Trump has recently been ordered to pay nearly $355m to New York state for lying about the values of his properties as part of “material fraudulent misstatements,” including those which relate to the housing development associated with the Trump International Golf Club in Aberdeen.
 
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I’m not happy. I think the whole situation is desperately sad, and the creaking failure of a once great nation. The fact it’s come to this, the fact that some people are still somehow taken in by the cult thinking around this man (as mentioned by Loading). The fact that it’s become so tribal. The fact that the alternate choice would be nobodies idea of a proper person to hold that office either.

It’s desperately sad. And worrying. But the saddest of all of this, is those that continue to try and defend him. He’s an appalling human.

One final thing - the fact that if either party could have rustled up even a vaguely competent nomination, they’d piss this election.
 
So, a day later Starmer says Abbott "free to go forward" with re-election. Took him a long time. Can only assume she has forced his hand. A win for Diane, I would say.

And if she hasn't forced his hand then Starmer has been inept in his handling of her. Absolutely, utterly, inept.
 
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So, a day later Starmer says Abbott "free to go forward" with re-election. Took him a long time. Can only assume she has forced his hand. A win for Diane, I would say.

And if she hasn't forced his hand then Starmer has been inept in his handling of her. Absolutely, utterly, inept.
He shouldn’t have to handle her. She shouldn’t be creating such a problem that needs handling and still expect full support of the party. She should be more supportive of the part she apparently wants to win
 
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He shouldn’t have to handle her. She shouldn’t be creating such a problem that needs handling and still expect full support of the party. She should be more supportive of the part she apparently wants to win
You never managed anyone? Poor man management is not the fault of the enployee…
 
You never managed anyone? Poor man management is not the fault of the enployee…
It can be. She regularly speaks out against Labour. She has lied about the leader of the party. At some point that becomes her fault

If you want to use the managerial analogy - even though that doesn’t really work because she is directly elected - then if I regularly spoke out against my manager and criticised their choices in public or even to other teams then I would probably lose my position. Or be “managed out” of it.

She is not blameless here at all. It could have been handled better by Starmer but part of this situation is her fault. A large part actually. Starting with writing the letter in the first place. And then with creating a public spectacle over what seems to be reported information

On Starmer’s end - it seems like some direct communication was needed earlier. But there seems to be something missing here. There is a theory that he was expecting her to resign. If that is true she hasn’t and caused a fuss instead. Again if true what would have made him believe that? We don’t have the full story and won’t get it any time soon if at all.

This isn’t purely “poor man management of an employee”. The employee is disruptive and causing problems and has done for a long time and for reasons not solely related to how they are managed.
 
Wishful thinking but wouldn’t it be nice to see some high ranking politicians in the UK on trial for some of the things that have happened over the last several years.
I would start with people like Robert Jenrick who helped Richard Desmond avoid paying £45 million in taxes that would have benefited Tower Hamlets, one of the poorest areas in London.
Not sure if that decision was ever overturned but it should be a criminal offence for MPs to use their position in office to protect a party donor in such a way.


While we’re all watching the **** show that is US politics, we should bear in mind that we are also witnessing a legal system which is uniquely unafraid to hold the powerful to account. Their politics may be ****ed, but their institutions of state are standing up pretty well thus far.