It's not just them.
Off Topic Politics Thread
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All I’m trying to say is that there is a big difference between morally right & legally right.
It’s very important to do the morally right thing, and it’s obvious to 99.9% of people that telling young children they’re the wrong gender and then forcing them to take drugs is morally reprehensible
It’s very important to do the morally right thing, and it’s obvious to 99.9% of people that telling young children they’re the wrong gender and then forcing them to take drugs is morally reprehensible
Whoa! When did I get dragged into some trio of evil?
The Axis of evil.
Remember those sunny days when you guided Saints to a 25 (was it 25?) unbeaten run and everyone loved you for it? Yeah well, that's well and truly over.
Never meet your heroes!
No one is telling children they are the wrong gender. No one is forcing anyone to take drugs. That's not how anything works.
Actually it is.
Not so long ago you openly admitted to not having "enough knowledge on the subject to form an opinion". Now, after putting up links to a couple of private clinics (clinics that both have financial interests in treating patients with gender distress btw) you've become an expert in your field.
When it comes to the pro PB camp, it's difficult to know who is giving an honest opinion rather than those with a financial interest. And yes, you can legitimately have both but it does tend to question integrity when money is involved.
But the question is, why are people so eager to endorse the prescribing of drugs to young children when the long term effects are still unknown and their safety questioned by so many? While it's true there are many health organisations who endorse their use there are also many who have banned them.
In 13 American states they are banned and in a number of European countries their use is limited. With the amount of doubt around the world what is it that motivates the pro camp?
Both from Wiki;
On 30 June 2020, the British National Health Service changed the information it displayed on its website regarding the reversibility of the effects of puberty blockers and their use in the treatment of minors with gender dysphoria. Specifically, the NHS removed language stating that puberty blockers were "fully reversible" and that "treatment can usually be stopped at any time". In its place, the NHS stated that "little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.
On 12 March 2024, NHS England announced that the National Health Service would no longer prescribe puberty blockers to children outside of use in clinical research trials, citing concerns that there was not enough evidence about either how safe they were to take or whether they were clinically effective to justify prescribing them to children and young people.
So far as I can see PB or PSH treatment is carried out with great care and in full consultation with everyone concerned. That said I'm equally sure there are rogue doctors and online suppliers as there are for just about every medication or treatment. Prohibition has never worked the drugs wars were lost long ago.
The Mayo clinic and Cedars Sinai were examples of many similar studies and the latter was regarding precocious puberty.
Something you missed from the NHS.
"We have concluded that there is not enough evidence to support the safety or clinical effectiveness of PSH to make the treatment routinely available at this time."
Not difficult. Nor is this."
"On an exceptional, case by case basis any clinical recommendation to prescribe PSH for the purpose of puberty suppression outside of research and in contradiction to the routine commissioning position set out in this policy must be considered and approved by a national multidisciplinary team."
I shouldn't have gotten drawn into the chain of juvenile insult swapping, sorry mods.
That's me done on this subject, I'm looking forward to a productive day in the garden.
An objection I have to Puberty Blockers is the dishonest framing used by activist. Potentially because they have to. But they are pushed as a “pause to allow time to think”. But from what I gather and have heard from research is that the proportion of people who don’t then go on to taking hormones for the gender they weren’t assigned at birth is very small. So it’s not a “pause to think”. It’s a pause to wait until they are allowed to take the hormones. But that isn’t how it is framed.
Now it seems likely that if it was framed in accordance with the actual intent the concern is that it would be met with more backlash?
Now it seems likely that if it was framed in accordance with the actual intent the concern is that it would be met with more backlash?
I don't know about the UK, but it also takes a long time here to even reach the point where they are prescribed: many months, often well over a year. That's plenty of time to think! You don't need another five years of thinking.
It all makes sense when you realise that the pharmaceutical industry hates you and only sees you as cash a cow to be drained.
Applies to all drugs / gender ideology / therapy. Their sole aim is always to make money, not to actually help people.
A vast number of people’s lives have been permanently ruined thanks to the lies you mentioned in your post. These aren’t minor drugs and surgeries. They are totally life altering and have severe, severe consequences. Telling young kids that they are temporary etc is a huge con, which is why I call them child abusers.
We are shielded from evil of big pharma slightly in the U.K. thanks to the NHS (and doctors / nurses here on the front line are absolute heroes.)
But in general the pharma and medical industry is evil and want people sick/ill so they are forced to spend more on drugs.
Some of the cover ups and scandals from the large drug companies are absolutely insane. (Forging data, changing results, lying about unsafe drugs etc. )
Either you are being facetious or you genuinely are brainwashed.
There are literally thousands of documented cases of people regretting them so much that it eventually leads to suicide. There are many negative health effects, including weakened bone density and various other serious consequences.
Please, since this is so well documented: point me to your source for the thousands of documented cases of people regretting them so much that it eventually leads to suicide. This is particularly astonishing news given that less than 100 people in the UK were prescribed puberty blockers for gender dysphoria, per the NHS; a 1000%+ suicide rate is really horrifying.
Lots of things cause reduced bone density, for what it's worth. I'm on medication (esomeprazole, for GERD), likely for the rest of my life, for which one of the side effects can be reduced bone density. It just happens to be better than the alternative, namely the bit where I had such severe reflux that I could not eat actual food for nearly a year. Medicine is tradeoffs. Life is tradeoffs.
There you go kicking off with denigrating, snide insults before posting something which has nothing to do with truth or reality. Thousands of cases, how deluded and gullible do you think people are?