Off Topic Politics Thread

[Gregm1988]

Well, Greg and TOON7 have said everything I wanted to say. The omission of Trump from Os’s post shocked nobody!

It was basically almost a parody of a post. A post that an AI could come up with if we were to give it Os’s post history on this thread :

- Allege a conspiracy theory with no evidence
- Post a list without acknowledging the source implying either that you’ve got it from a BS source everyone will laugh at or a mainstream media source that you so often decry and malign
- Put and obvious pro United States right-wing slant on the post even if it means leaving laughably obvious omissions

And finally:
- Check to see if it has either come from or sounds like it could come from something an online “libertarian” grifter would say.

And then you have it.

Or just - is this a Daily Express headline? Because that has also happened - despite the whole “mainstream media bad” thing.

 

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[Osvaldorama]

Interesting who you left off who is included in the reporting. A certain orange one. Why would you do that ?

And in answer to your question - it’s the lead story everywhere. Or at least BBC, Fox, Guardian and Daily Mail. Some with certain differences of focus of course - such as the right wing ones really focusing on Clinton. Could only see a clear link mentioning “read the whole unsealed documents” on the guardian but literally spent one minute investigating your claims of conspiracy (it’s all it took)

BBC reporting suggests neither of the former presidents listed are accused of illegality - neither the one you listed or the one you surprisingly (to absolutely no one given your extreme bias) left off your list.

I named the people that were newly named in the documents, not the people that you wish were.

Trump isn’t on the new files. Read them for yourself like I did.

I find it quite indicative of the brainwashing you lefty’s go through that you’re trying to politicise that post.

Of course if there is any evidence that trump is a **** then I hope justice is served. You guys are very detached from reality though. But very common for socialists/communists to ignore true justice and only attack political enemies

 

[Gregm1988]

I named the people that were newly named in the documents, not the people that you wish were.

Trump isn’t on the new files. Read them for yourself like I did.

I find it quite indicative of the brainwashing you lefty’s go through that you’re trying to politicise that post.

Of course if there is any evidence that trump is a **** then I hope justice is served. You guys are very detached from reality though. But very common for socialists/communists to ignore true justice and only attack political enemies

Odd for the person to exclude the politician he supports from the discussion to accuse others of politicising the post. As well as the person who tried to imply a media coverup (which would naturally be political). Staggering in fact

It is pretty amusing to be accused of being detached from reality by the person on this thread who is by far and away the most detached. So far detached you have floated away and long since lost sight of it. If you want an example look no further than this morning where you posted implying the media would not mention this story / give it much attention. And yet the prominent media stories lead with it. And then the furious backpedaling started. That is what truly being detached from reality is. To say something so completely detached that it is emphatically proven from I think within minutes of saying it.

And not to mention the usual moving of the goal posts. And accusing everyone who doesn’t agree with you of bias and being lefties. And then add in some more outrageous claims and accusations. I’d expect nothing less unfortunately

 

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[Osvaldorama]

Odd for the person to exclude the politician he supports from the discussion to accuse others of politicising the post. As well as the person who tried to imply a media coverup (which would naturally be political). Staggering in fact

It is pretty amusing to be accused of being detached from reality by the person on this thread who is by far and away the most detached. So far detached you have floated away and long since lost sight of it. If you want an example look no further than this morning where you posted implying the media would not mention this story / give it much attention. And yet the prominent media stories lead with it. And then the furious backpedaling started. That is what truly being detached from reality is. To say something so completely detached that it is emphatically proven from I think within minutes of saying it.

And not to mention the usual moving of the goal posts. And accusing everyone who doesn’t agree with you of bias and being lefties. And then add in some more outrageous claims and accusations. I’d expect nothing less unfortunately

I stopped reading after the first sentence. You are so tedious. I don’t have an agenda

From the newly released documents:

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I am not saying trump is innocent. I just have read the documents.

Epstein said to his brother that “he knew things about both political candidates that ran in 2016 that would horrify people”.

So I am not trying to claim trump is innocent. I would like the truth to come out and justice served to any / all involved.

 

[Osvaldorama]

Also. As for saying I’m detached from reality..

I remember when people like you told me that Epstein’s **** island was a “conspiracy theory” and couldn’t be real.

Owners of the large media corporations themselves were directly involved in covering it all up and here is direct proof:
https://x.com/endwokeness/status/1742890581980758194?s=46

Producers & journalists were fired for even asking questions.
This is what I was referring to. You are naive in the extreme if you think these sorts of cover ups stop with Epstein.

 

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Also. As for saying I’m detached from reality..

I remember when people like you told me that Epstein’s **** island was a “conspiracy theory” and couldn’t be real.

Owners of the large media corporations themselves were directly involved in covering it all up and here is direct proof:
https://x.com/endwokeness/status/1742890581980758194?s=46

Producers & journalists were fired for even asking questions.
This is what I was referring to. You are naive in the extreme if you think these sorts of cover ups stop with Epstein.

Os, you do know the interview they had would have got the network sued, right? I mean, I get that people cover things up, but in this instance even Robach has since admitted they never could have aired that interview and she was wrong to say so. Journalists need corroborating evidence and in this case they had none.

I would suggest not following bizarre X accounts with names like "end wokeness".

 

[Gregm1988]

I stopped reading after the first sentence. You are so tedious. I don’t have an agenda

From the newly released documents:

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I am not saying trump is innocent. I just have read the documents.

Epstein said to his brother that “he knew things about both political candidates that ran in 2016 that would horrify people”.

So I am not trying to claim trump is innocent. I would like the truth to come out and justice served to any / all involved.

We are completely agreed on wanting the truth to come out and justice to be served to everyone. But given the lack of justice to Prince Andrew it is safe to say that isn’t going to happen

 

[Osvaldorama]

Os, you do know the interview they had would have got the network sued, right? I mean, I get that people cover things up, but in this instance even Robach has since admitted they never could have aired that interview and she was wrong to say so. Journalists need corroborating evidence and in this case they had none.

I would suggest not following bizarre X accounts with names like "end wokeness".

I don’t get what point you’re trying to make.

You’re agreeing with me, then, that media cover ups happen? That rich people will use their power, money & influence to stop information coming to light. Despite you & others insulting me in previous posts and saying they don’t happen?

Thank you for the suggestion but I will follow whatever accounts I like.

 

[Gregm1988]

Also. As for saying I’m detached from reality..

I remember when people like you told me that Epstein’s **** island was a “conspiracy theory” and couldn’t be real.

Owners of the large media corporations themselves were directly involved in covering it all up and here is direct proof:
https://x.com/endwokeness/status/1742890581980758194?s=46

Producers & journalists were fired for even asking questions.
This is what I was referring to. You are naive in the extreme if you think these sorts of cover ups stop with Epstein.

No I don’t remember this. I don’t remember when this was said and could well have been before I started posting on this board in general. Since the Epstein stuff was properly uncovered in something like 2019.

On your last sentence - no one said that about cover ups stopping. No one. Not me or anyone else. So why try to imply that I did. Or is it “you” in the “royal we” sense. In which case I agree. Of course there are various cover ups of many things. We exist in a country where almost all the main newspapers are owned by avowed schills for the current government.

I pointed out that the idea that the mainstream media would cover this was for the birds. And this was unquestionably proven. By all the lead stories. They would have looked foolish to pretend nothing was happening. Is it part of some kind of long game? A conspiracy minded person might say yes

 

[Gregm1988]

I don’t get what point you’re trying to make.

You’re agreeing with me, then, that media cover ups happen? That rich people will use their power, money & influence to stop information coming to light. Despite you & others insulting me in previous posts and saying they don’t happen?

Thank you for the suggestion but I will follow whatever accounts I like.

You have changed what you are claiming. You said they would cover THIS up. The announcement from today. And we’re proven to be just about as wrong as anyone can be on anything. So have changed and now tried to say you were talking about general media cover ups. Which of course there are.

But why can’t you just take the L on this one? You were wrong and it is pretty clear to see. But you just will not admit that. Instead you now spinning and weaving and saying to others “oh so you agree with me on this tangentially related point”

I kind of wish I hadn’t missed your flagrant exclusion of Trump because then we could have just focused on your prediction that this wouldn’t have been reported at all rather than opening up avenues for sidetracking about “politicisation”. But I realise now that was almost certainly deliberate

 

[Osvaldorama]

No I don’t remember this. I don’t remember when this was said and could well have been before I started posting on this board in general. Since the Epstein stuff was properly uncovered in something like 2019.

On your last sentence - no one said that about cover ups stopping. No one. Not me or anyone else. So why try to imply that I did. Or is it “you” in the “royal we” sense. In which case I agree. Of course there are various cover ups of many things. We exist in a country where almost all the main newspapers are owned by avowed schills for the current government.

I pointed out that the idea that the mainstream media would cover this was for the birds. And this was unquestionably proven. By all the lead stories. They would have looked foolish to pretend nothing was happening. Is it part of some kind of long game? A conspiracy minded person might say yes

It’s still happening now.

For example, Pizzagate is real. Many media outlets are currently pretending that pizzagate is “debunked” etc.

But there is definitely truth there.

 

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I don’t get what point you’re trying to make.

You’re agreeing with me, then, that media cover ups happen? That rich people will use their power, money & influence to stop information coming to light. Despite you & others insulting me in previous posts and saying they don’t happen?

Thank you for the suggestion but I will follow whatever accounts I like.

Umm, no. I am saying you just asked us to watch something. You asked. I did it. I watched. I looked up the interview. I found her subsequent comments.

You know, later, when she admits she was upset about the story but that ABC could not have ever run it. You know. I followed the evidence you gave me and came to a mature conclusion.

And yes, people cover things up. That doesn't mean that the media universe was in cahoots to cover things up. I know journalists. They will get their stories out if they believe in them, no matter what their bosses say.

 

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It’s still happening now.

For example, Pizzagate is real. Many media outlets are currently pretending that pizzagate is “debunked” etc.

But there is definitely truth there.

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[Osvaldorama]

You have changed what you are claiming. You said they would cover THIS up. The announcement from today. And we’re proven to be just about as wrong as anyone can be on anything. So have changed and now tried to say you were talking about general media cover ups. Which of course there are.

But why can’t you just take the L on this one? You were wrong and it is pretty clear to see. But you just will not admit that. Instead you now spinning and weaving and saying to others “oh so you agree with me on this tangentially related point”

I kind of wish I hadn’t missed your flagrant exclusion of Trump because then we could have just focused on your prediction that this wouldn’t have been reported at all rather than opening up avenues for sidetracking about “politicisation”. But I realise now that was almost certainly deliberate

Because it’s you that needs to take the L

You accused me of bias where there was none. Re-read my post. I didn’t mention trump in it because in this set of recent documents IT EXPLICITLY SAID SHE NEVER SAW TRUMP THERE. Look at the screenshot from the documents.

You insulted me and now you’re chatting absolute waffle, weirdly fixated on a completely irrelevant part of my post.

YOU ARE THE ONES that mentioned Trump. I don’t give a **** about Trump. As usual you put words in my mouth which weren’t even there.

 

[Osvaldorama]

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Yea call me crazy or whatever I don’t give a ****. There is truth in the pizzagate stuff. I don’t know how much of it, but there definitely, definitely is.

People called me crazy for believing there was a **** island, but it’s because of people like me and thousands of others posting about it in public places that we are edging closer and closer to the perpetrators finally being brought to justice.

The internet is very powerful which is why free speech must be protected at all costs.

 

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Yea call me crazy or whatever I don’t give a ****. There is truth in the pizzagate stuff. I don’t know how much of it, but there definitely, definitely is.

People called me crazy for believing there was a **** island, but it’s because of people like me and thousands of others posting about it in public places that we are edging closer and closer to the perpetrators finally being brought to justice.

The internet is very powerful which is why free speech must be protected at all costs.

Where are these people? Where is the proof you knew about this island and were posting about it and people called you crazy?

There is truth in everything. There is pizza in New York. There you go. That doesn't make the whole crazy thing true. Only the nuttiest of the nuttiest are still holding on to this story.

Have you heard of Occam's Razor? I would suggest applying it to every theory you hear. Can this be explained more simply? Are there ways to understand this that make sense without lots of other coincidences and conspirators?

 

[Osvaldorama]

Where are these people? Where is the proof you knew about this island and were posting about it and people called you crazy?

There is truth in everything. There is pizza in New York. There you go. That doesn't make the whole crazy thing true. Only the nuttiest of the nuttiest are still holding on to this story.

Have you heard of Occam's Razor? I would suggest applying it to every theory you hear. Can this be explained more simply? Are there ways to understand this that make sense without lots of other coincidences and conspirators?

There is a playbook that is followed. Mix in obvious lies and genuinely nutty/crazy people with the truth. That way you can tar everyone as “conspiracy theorists”.

Before long, anyone that mentions wealthy ****pile and child trafficking is “qAnon” or “a far right conspiracy theorist”.

Your own posts today prove it. You made the entire thread about Trump.

It can be subtle but these media corporations that are owned by the very same billionaires involved in these things post articles like this:

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Please explain to me how wanting justice for the victims of these horrific crimes is in any way a far-right position?

Then suckers like you and Greg default to associating wanting ****philes brought to justice with being insane & right wing

 

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There is a playbook that is followed. Mix in obvious lies and genuinely nutty/crazy people with the truth. That way you can tar everyone as “conspiracy theorists”.

Before long, anyone that mentions wealthy ****pile and child trafficking is “qAnon” or “a far right conspiracy theorist”.

Your own posts today prove it. You made the entire thread about Trump.

Me? Trump?

How many times do I mention him? Once?

I was far more interested in following your wild digressions. That was the sport!

I will give you a point of credit on Trump. All the headlines included Trump this morning - and then by about 10 am they had mostly removed his name. The BBC being one such. I still think you posted it initially because of what you felt it said about the left. But, I now kind of agree that you were ok to leave Trump off the list.