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The Ides of March said:
Oñe way poorer people can be helped is by making public transport free, or much cheaper and affordable. Here in Mallorca, public transport is "gratis," because public transport is a service and not a profit making machine. The cost.comes out of thepublic purse, the coffers of which are boosted by tourists paying a tax!
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Nothing is ever free. The working population will end up paying for the services out of their pay cheques either through taxes or inflation.

But yes; spending money on infrastructure within the country would be a much better use of public funds than what they currently spend it on.
 
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Osvaldorama said:
Nothing is ever free. The working population will end up paying for the services out of their pay cheques either through taxes or inflation.
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And those costs would be much less than those associated with cars, which are expensive to buy, expensive to maintain, expensive to fuel, and expensive to insure. I don't drive a huge amount (live less than 10 km from work), but it costs me at least £2000 a year to keep my vehicle on the road, and I owe nothing on it (that's not a flex, it's 14 years old). A year of bus passes when I lived in a city cost a fraction of that.
 
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Osvaldorama said:
Nothing is ever free. The working population will end up paying for the services out of their pay cheques either through taxes or inflation.

But yes; spending money on infrastructure within the country would be a much better use of public funds than what they currently spend it on.
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I agree that nothing is free..however it could come from council tax or the government from general taxation, just save on the general waste that is the bureaucracy of the public purse.

It has often been said that maybe the 'poor' (I hate that expression as it seems to belittle people and is relative - it can mean someone unemployed and never worked or even someone working 7 days a week with a family earning above the national average) should get a bus pass. I don't think that would work as once you set thresholds then people are caught in the poverty trap where they maybe wont work for fear of being worse off. Make it free for all - those that can afford transport wont use it, those that can't will use it. Quite simple.
 
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thereisonlyoneno7 said:
I agree that nothing is free..however it could come from council tax or the government from general taxation, just save on the general waste that is the bureaucracy of the public purse.

It has often been said that maybe the 'poor' (I hate that expression as it seems to belittle people and is relative - it can mean someone unemployed and never worked or even someone working 7 days a week with a family earning above the national average) should get a bus pass. I don't think that would work as once you set thresholds then people are caught in the poverty trap where they maybe wont work for fear of being worse off. Make it free for all - those that can afford transport wont use it, those that can't will use it. Quite simple.
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Great idea…

So by that nature, a little tweak if I may…those that are poor get free bus passes, and those that are rich get free chauffeurs for their expensive, gas guzzling vehicles?

Seems fair to me :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
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The problem with socialism and socialist policies is that you are effecti
Le Tissier's Laces said:
Tax the **** out of second, non residential homes, and foreign property ownership. Sorted.

#voteforLTL
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Whilst that would potentially help in the short term, in reality the government doesn’t have an income problem.

It has a spending problem.
 
Lucy Letby. Never have I been so happy to be proved wrong.

Awful awful awful case. Hopefully those jurors are permanently excluded from ever serving again.

Edit - they have been
 
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Osvaldorama said:
Nothing is ever free. The working population will end up paying for the services out of their pay cheques either through taxes or inflation.

But yes; spending money on infrastructure within the country would be a much better use of public funds than what they currently spend it on.
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In Mallorca this "gratis" use of public transport is indiscriminate as it does not differentiate between rich or poor and those in-between. It is a service that everyone pays for through taxation.
 
The Ides of March said:
In Mallorca this "gratis" use of public transport is indiscriminate as it does not differentiate between rich or poor and those in-between. It is a service that everyone pays for through taxation.
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Nice. That seems like a fairly good idea. I personally have no issues with social schemes like this. I am a capitalist, for sure, but I think co-operation and sharing to make society better is a good thing.

But I am against fill socialism as it is an entirely different think. It’s basically “forced sharing” where Peter forces paul to share resources and then spends those resources how he sees fit with no input.

This is why I think “just tax rich people more” is a cop out. Sure, that is one potential solution if managed correctly. But there are literally thousands of things that could save the taxpayers money before you resort to stealing more wealth from the citizens.
 
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Osvaldorama said:
Nice. That seems like a fairly good idea. I personally have no issues with social schemes like this. I am a capitalist, for sure, but I think co-operation and sharing to make society better is a good thing.

But I am against fill socialism as it is an entirely different think. It’s basically “forced sharing” where Peter forces paul to share resources and then spends those resources how he sees fit with no input.

This is why I think “just tax rich people more” is a cop out. Sure, that is one potential solution if managed correctly. But there are literally thousands of things that could save the taxpayers money before you embrace the concept of society through sharing. It seems crazy to me that a person's right to individual wealth could ever be compromised by the needs of those who have less.
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Just for clarity.
 
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Osvaldorama said:
Nice. That seems like a fairly good idea. I personally have no issues with social schemes like this. I am a capitalist, for sure, but I think co-operation and sharing to make society better is a good thing.

But I am against fill socialism as it is an entirely different think. It’s basically “forced sharing” where Peter forces paul to share resources and then spends those resources how he sees fit with no input.

This is why I think “just tax rich people more” is a cop out. Sure, that is one potential solution if managed correctly. But there are literally thousands of things that could save the taxpayers money before you resort to stealing more wealth from the citizens.
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Spain is the capital of botched building schemes. I highlight two examples. Firstly, the building of an airport near Valencia a few years ago. It couldn't open because the runways were a few metres too short. Talk about plannng and bad planning that cost millions. A second example is in Palma de Mallorca itself. A Congress building was erected but because it did not meet the building regulations requirements, it has remained an empty building. And of course in the UK, the scenario with the Government and the awarding of a ferry contract to a company that did not even have boats. And to set the balance, somethng that happened many years ago, I think some Labour councillors in Newcastle were given some brown envelopes after awarding the building contract to a certain firm.
 
Libby said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66120934

Hospital doesn't come across well here at all.
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****ing hell just finished reading this and it's beyond dreadful.

I'm no legal expert but surely there's some scope here to charge some senior hospital staff? Negligence manslaughter perhaps? They're lack of action almost certainly led to more babies being murdered.

Disgusting. I hope someone cuts this **** up in prison. Every single day.
 
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Osvaldorama said:
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Whilst that would potentially help in the short term, in reality the government doesn’t have an income problem.

It has a spending problem.
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No one is slagging you off this afternoon Os! It must be Friday and we are getting ready for the weekend. One place I went to many years ago was TGIF in a retail park at Park Gate. It was awful beyond belief as we were all packed in there like sardines!!!
 
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Disgust Mistruss. "News reports this weekend revealed that Liz Truss’s controversial honours list is making its way through the vetting process with the Cabinet Office and House of Lords Appointments Commission (HOLAC). This suggests that the UK’s shortest-serving prime minister is getting ready to hand out life-long jobs in the Lords to supporters and friends, despite serving just 49 days in office. Two people put forward for honours have reportedly declined, due to the controversy the list is likely to provoke."
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/liz-truss-resignation-honours-could-be-a-turning-point-for-reform/?
 
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