Off Topic Politics Thread

[Schad]

Dozens of attacks by white supremacists that reference the sort of rhetoric coming from the far right people that Os routinely parrots: not a real problem, just some bad apples.

Three completely unconnected shootings in five years by trans people, in a country that has hundreds of mass shootings per year: a massive conspiracy and terror network designed to destroy society.

What a ****ing loon.

 

[Osvaldorama]

Dozens of attacks by white supremacists that reference the sort of rhetoric coming from the far right people that Os routinely parrots: not a real problem, just some bad apples.

Three completely unconnected shootings in five years by trans people, in a country that has hundreds of mass shootings per year: a massive conspiracy and terror network designed to destroy society.

What a ****ing loon.

Please point out where I said that far right shooters aren’t a real problem?

Clearly there are echo chambers that cause white supremacist morons to hate society and commit similar atrocities.

These ideologies; be it far right, far left or religious extremism pray on vulnerable, mentally unwell people and make them hate society.

It isn’t a stretch to compare some of these transgender cells to ISIS cells or far right cells.

They weaponise these fragile people and this eventually results in atrocities. I really don’t see what I’ve said here that’s so controversial.

At no point have I blamed all trans people or anything like that.

 

[Schad]

Please point out where I said that far right shooters aren’t a real problem?

Clearly there are echo chambers that cause white supremacist morons to hate society and commit similar atrocities.

These ideologies; be it far right, far left or religious extremism pray on vulnerable, mentally unwell people and make them hate society.

It isn’t a stretch to compare some of these transgender cells to ISIS cells or far right cells.

They weaponise these fragile people and this eventually results in atrocities. I really don’t see what I’ve said here that’s so controversial.

At no point have I blamed all trans people or anything like that.

Three shootings in five years. Out of a couple thousand mass shootings in that time frame. Two of them had nothing to do with any ideology, per the police. The third, the one that just happened, we don't know. No details have been released regarding motive.

How the **** is this not blaming trans people?

Clearly there is a link between people who have gender dysphoria & wanting to murder innocent people that should be heavily investigated.

Based on three completely unconnected shootings in five years, you believe that trans people are inherently murderous and this connection should be 'heavily investigated'. Jesus Christ my man think about what you are saying here.

 

[Osvaldorama]

Os, there are times when I find myself agreeing with some of the things your have written, especially concerning the banking system and the financial and political elite. However, you also talk some absolute bollocks, I mean complete loony tunes stuff that leaves just about everyone shaking their heads in disbelief.

This time you have not only crossed a red line, you have made accusations against groups of people, which is completely unacceptable. You should be aware that on a public forum you can, and in your case you probably will, be proecuted for throwing around such garbage. You have absolutely no right to point the finger at people you don't know and suggest they are possibly sleeping killers. What is wrong with you?

Have you any idea of the struggles a lot of transgender people have every day just fitting in with so called 'normal' society? A lot of folk don't feel they fit in society on many levels but are they potential killers in disguise? No, I very much doubt that you do because judging by the things you write, you think of them as dangerous people who need monitoring and 'investigating' to see if they harbour any latent desires to go on a murder rampage.

This was a decent political forum but with your continual conspiracy theories and your obession with what's going on in America, it's like being in a bloody nut house, and that sets off Schad to continue the American theme until exhausion sets in.

How about normal for a while, it's quite refreshing now and again, and some of us are actually interested in what is happening in the UK and Europe.

Try it for a while Os, and quit demonising people you know nothing about.

1) why do you assume I know nothing about trans people? Very big assumption

2) Why did you put “normal” in quotation marks?

I absolutely respect all trans people and the very difficult journey they undertake. I thought I’d made that clear but apparently not.

 

[It'sOnlyAGame]

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[Schad]

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Are you familiar with the body of work of the guy whose video you just posted? If not, the titles of some of his recent videos:

"The modern world is largely the work of white men and yet they are the most despised group on Earth"

"The importance to a nation of having one dominant and unifying culture, which all citizens follow"

"How come there is no modern research about race and intelligence?"

"What is wrong with ethnic nationalism and the idea of an ethno-state?"

"What are the arguments against scientific racism and why are we reluctant to discuss the matter?"

"The reality of race, which nobody today wishes to acknowledge at any cost"


He's a literal white supremacist. Assuming you are not also a literal white supremacist, you might want to be careful of who you amplify.

 

[Onionman]

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[It'sOnlyAGame]

Are you familiar with the body of work of the guy whose video you just posted? If not, the titles of some of his recent videos:

"The modern world is largely the work of white men and yet they are the most despised group on Earth"

"The importance to a nation of having one dominant and unifying culture, which all citizens follow"

"How come there is no modern research about race and intelligence?"

"What is wrong with ethnic nationalism and the idea of an ethno-state?"

"What are the arguments against scientific racism and why are we reluctant to discuss the matter?"

"The reality of race, which nobody today wishes to acknowledge at any cost"


He's a literal white supremacist. Assuming you are not also a literal white supremacist, you might want to be careful of who you amplify.

I am familiar with his youtube posts and I was going to preface my post about his approach to race and colour because I knew that someone would use that instead of answering the points he made about aggressive trans rights activists. In the end I decided not to as it wouldn't have made any difference and as that tactic is one you use when you are unable to counter an argument it's no surprise you were the first up.
Another lazy tactic is to label a person as "extreme right wing", "literal white supremacist", "fascist" or some other sensationalist name to discredit the comment and avoid giving an answer.
Simon Webb is undoubtedly obsessed about race, immigration, ethnicity and their impact as he sees it. The fact that he challenges some statements and practices around those subjects understandably makes him very unpopular with some but there are posts he makes such as the one above that I agree with entirely.
Calling out what he sees as absurd is a breath of fresh air in amongst the self righteous bullshit coming from all angles these days.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Let me post something that vaguely supports my odd bias, which I shall spend precisely zero time looking into, because I’m far too busy looking for deeply vaguely contradictions of those I disagree with. Everyone cool with that?

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

I am familiar with his youtube posts and I was going to preface my post about his approach to race and colour because I knew that someone would use that instead of answering the points he made about aggressive trans rights activists. In the end I decided not to as it wouldn't have made any difference and as that tactic is one you use when you are unable to counter an argument it's no surprise you were the first up.
Another lazy tactic is to label a person as "extreme right wing", "literal white supremacist", "fascist" or some other sensationalist name to discredit the comment and avoid giving an answer.
Simon Webb is undoubtedly obsessed about race, immigration, ethnicity and their impact as he sees it. The fact that he challenges some statements and practices around those subjects understandably makes him very unpopular with some but there are posts he makes such as the one above that I agree with entirely.
Calling out what he sees as absurd is a breath of fresh air in amongst the self righteous bullshit coming from all angles these days.

In fairness, I’ve not watched this video, and shall do tomorrow. There’s nuance in this whole debate that at always gets lost. But I’m tired and it’s bed time, so will watch tomorrow to see if the nuance is at all captured.

 

[Schad]

I am familiar with his youtube posts and I was going to preface my post about his approach to race and colour because I knew that someone would use that instead of answering the points he made about aggressive trans rights activists. In the end I decided not to as it wouldn't have made any difference and as that tactic is one you use when you are unable to counter an argument it's no surprise you were the first up.
Another lazy tactic is to label a person as "extreme right wing", "literal white supremacist", "fascist" or some other sensationalist name to discredit the comment and avoid giving an answer.
Simon Webb is undoubtedly obsessed about race, immigration, ethnicity and their impact as he sees it. The fact that he challenges some statements and practices around those subjects understandably makes him very unpopular with some but there are posts he makes such as the one above that I agree with entirely.
Calling out what he sees as absurd is a breath of fresh air in amongst the self righteous bullshit coming from all angles these days.

He's literally a white supremacist. His Youtube channel is about the supremacy of white people and the intellectual and moral inferiority of non-white people. That is what white supremacy is.

Does it not trouble you that your fixation with trans people has led you down the rabbit hole such that you're now recommending videos from a white supremacist? This is what I've talked about here a bunch of times: the far right's use of these wedge issues in order to push people further into extremism. You're now in the position of making mealy-mouthed statements about him being controversial "to some" because you agree with him that trans people are scary and evil, and acknowledging that he is utterly batshit overall and an arch racist would tend to cast a bit of a pall over your agreement on this specific issue.

Just so we're on the same page here: you believe that Simon Webb is completely incorrect when he states, over and over, that non-whites are inherently less intelligent and morally inferior to white people, right?

 

[Schad]

Political correctness run amok, really. You make videos praising Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood speech (watch?v=IqFThYVRww4), defending white nationalism (watch?v=FANVUNyGMnM) and suggesting that Nazis gave fascism a bad name and that it's a system with many advantages (watch?v=JNlTsykh3-4), and suddenly people start throwing around labels like "extreme right wing", "literal white supremacist", "fascist" or some other sensationalist nonsense.

(I'm not embedding those, but if you put youtube.com/ in front of the parentheticals, you will get those videos. Just do it in an incognito window, you won't want that driving your Youtube algorithm)

 

[Onionman]

(I'm not embedding those, but if you put youtube.com/ in front of the parentheticals, you will get those videos. Just do it in an incognito window, you won't want that driving your Youtube algorithm)

And therein lies the problem. You start off by watching a video that agrees with you that there might be (say) valid questions to be asked about pre-pubescent trans kids and six months later the YouTube algorithm has sent you so far down the rabbit hole that you're posting content from far-right racist fascism apologists thinking it's a typical viewpoint that people might listen to and learn. God's teeth.

Vin

 

[Schad]

And therein lies the problem. You start off by watching a video that agrees with you that there might be (say) valid questions to be asked about pre-pubescent trans kids and six months later the YouTube algorithm has sent you so far down the rabbit hole that you're posting content from far-right racist fascism apologists thinking it's a typical viewpoint that people might listen to and learn. God's teeth.

Vin

Life comes at you fast. No one ever sets out to have to say "can we stop focusing on the fact that I watch the videos of a mask-off fascist and instead focus on the fact that he hates the people I hate?", but the good news is that there's still always the chance to, y'know, reevaluate one's life choices.

 

[Onionman]

IOAG, can I also ask a hypothetical question?

If the internet didn't exist and you didn't know about drag acts in libraries 4,000 miles away, would you still be as angry about this subject as you clearly are? I may well have missed some posts (I take long breaks from forums and social media for sanity purposes) but it definitely feels like this is the only thing in the entire field of politics on which you have opinions. On a day to day basis what effect does this story (even if every single word of it proved to be true) have on you?

And I think we have an answer to my (I believe unanswered) question from November.

Social media algorithms. Designed to make you see adverts (literally no other purpose), the algorithms know that outrage drives more engagement. That's it. Start that off and it leads to extreme views. And makes you angry about things that don't affect you.

It's frightening. And the worst part? People like my Sovereign Citizen close relative, who slopped down the YouTube hellhole years ago can't see it and will deny that it's even affected them. He's an independent thinker and he's seen the truth. He wasn't affected by Facebook, Twitter or YouTube. No, his views were never manipulated.

Vin

 

[San Tejón]

Sunak’s wife to benefit from childcare changes made in the budget.
I’m not going soft, and I can see how laws and regulations brought in by the government can positively affect them, family or friends, especially when someone is as rich as Croesus and has shares in multiple companies. But this is why all MPs have to be totally transparent, especially with regards to shares they, or spouses, have in all companies.


Pm’s Wife In Policy Boost Agency Link


By SOPHIE HUSKISSONPolitical Correspondent

RISHI Sunak’s wife is a shareholder in a childcare agency that will benefit from a major new policy announced in the Budget.

The PM did not mention Akshata Murthy’s links to Koru Kids when he was quizzed by MPs this week.

The Liberal Democrats called for his ethics adviser, Sir Laurie Magnus, to investigate the situation.

A pilot will offer £600 to childminders joining the industry, and double if they sign up through an agency.

Labour’s Deputy Leader Angela Rayner said: “Mr Sunak must explain why he failed to come clean.”

The PM told the Liaison Committee the policy was “designed in consultation with the sector”. The rules were followed to the letter, his spokeswoman said.

 

[Osvaldorama]

And I think we have an answer to my (I believe unanswered) question from November.

Social media algorithms. Designed to make you see adverts (literally no other purpose), the algorithms know that outrage drives more engagement. That's it. Start that off and it leads to extreme views. And makes you angry about things that don't affect you.

It's frightening. And the worst part? People like my Sovereign Citizen close relative, who slopped down the YouTube hellhole years ago can't see it and will deny that it's even affected them. He's an independent thinker and he's seen the truth. He wasn't affected by Facebook, Twitter or YouTube. No, his views were never manipulated.

Vin

Why do you think that your views are 100% good, correctand manipulation free, whilst everyone that disagrees with you is manipulated and crazy?

Questions for Plato.

Being right wing doesn’t instantly make someone evil like you seem to think. It’s a proper weird cult on here

 

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Sunak’s wife to benefit from childcare changes made in the budget.
I’m not going soft, and I can see how laws and regulations brought in by the government can positively affect them, family or friends, especially when someone is as rich as Croesus and has shares in multiple companies. But this is why all MPs have to be totally transparent, especially with regards to shares they, or spouses, have in all companies.


Pm’s Wife In Policy Boost Agency Link


By SOPHIE HUSKISSONPolitical Correspondent

RISHI Sunak’s wife is a shareholder in a childcare agency that will benefit from a major new policy announced in the Budget.

The PM did not mention Akshata Murthy’s links to Koru Kids when he was quizzed by MPs this week.

The Liberal Democrats called for his ethics adviser, Sir Laurie Magnus, to investigate the situation.

A pilot will offer £600 to childminders joining the industry, and double if they sign up through an agency.

Labour’s Deputy Leader Angela Rayner said: “Mr Sunak must explain why he failed to come clean.”

The PM told the Liaison Committee the policy was “designed in consultation with the sector”. The rules were followed to the letter, his spokeswoman said.

It makes no sense to get more money if signing up through an agency. This stinks.

 

[Schad]

Why do you think that your views are 100% good, correctand manipulation free, whilst everyone that disagrees with you is manipulated and crazy?

Questions for Plato.

Being right wing doesn’t instantly make someone evil like you seem to think. It’s a proper weird cult on here

Being right wing doesn't make a person evil. Wanting to create an all-white ethnostate while demonizing minorities and queer people and defending fascism? That's pretty evil. That guy is pretty evil.

At one point in the videos I posted, he praises the fascist dictator of Portugal, Antonio Salazar, for the stability he brought. Salazar's regime was a police state that conducted torture on an industrial scale and massacred hundreds of thousands in Portuguese colonies.

 

[San Tejón]

It makes no sense to get more money if signing up through an agency. This stinks.

It possibly makes sense to those who own or have shares in the agencies, as they are probably/possibly getting some sort of kickback through providing childminders, which is also probably why there is concern about Sunak’s wife potentially benefiting from the scheme and concern that Sunak could have declared his wife’s interests in a child care company, but didn’t.
Maybe it will be similar to those who provide nurses to the NHS at a higher cost than if they were just employed by the NHS.
I also seem to recall, quite recently, a Tory MP trying to get the NHS to hire anaesthetists from an agency that he had some sort of connection to.
It’s just a way of milking money from the taxpayers for doing **** all.