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"Again, Russia was opposed to NATO's expansion because it wants to dominate its neighbours. The countries that joined NATO, notably, are the ones least under threat of being dominated, which is precisely the reason that they -- of their own free will -- applied for membership in the alliance. And NATO remained very popular in border countries prior to the 2022 invasion for that reason"

So very much this.
 
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Call me naive, but what is to stop goods imported to NI through the Green Lane just being driven over the border into the ROI? How does that protect the Single Market standards?
Think they're going to paint the roads red and green and if Boris had had his way and we had the foresight to build his bridge across the Irish Sea the red and green lanes could've been extended over the bridge....don't think we appreciated his genius at the time.
 
Freud’s greatest contribution to psychology was, I think, the notion of “denialism” (Verleugnung). He argued that when facts are too difficult or threatening to encompass, the human mind finds ever more intricate mechanisms to pretend they don’t exist or to explain them away. He often used this term in the context of things such as mortality and the infidelity of a romantic partner, but its implications for geopolitics are perhaps the most significant of all.

The most hackneyed example is still the most vivid, so forgive me for mentioning Chamberlain and Hitler. The British prime minister was a decent man who desperately wanted to avoid the bloodshed of another global conflict — and so he patiently avoided dealing with the truth that would have been obvious to any neutral observer. By the time it became too late, we were ill-prepared for war and the Nazis had gathered considerable momentum.

I hesitate to say this on a fine weekend, but I’d suggest that we have witnessed a similar scale of denialism over the past two decades. We now face a fully fledged authoritarian axis led by China and encompassing Vladimir Putin’s Russia, Ayatollah Khamenei’s Iran and, to an extent, the captive population of Kim Jong-un’s North Korea. Just yesterday, the puppet Belarusian state announced more details of its “all-weather strategic partnership” with China, building yet more connective tissue in this rising alliance. And make no mistake: this represents an existential threat to the West.

This is a stark truth, but it’s worth looking at the conflict in Ukraine through this lens. We are (rightly) providing munitions to our ally but we are simultaneously depleting our own stocks of ammunition and precision missiles. At the same time, our economies are struggling with the energy crisis and inflation, and China continues its rearmament programme while enjoying discounted oil from Russia, now dependent on its ally to the south and east. It raises the question of how we would cope if China launches an assault on Taiwan or Iran makes a serious move in the Middle East.

Niall Ferguson, the British historian, has argued that if one or both of these were to happen, we would, de facto, have entered a Third World War. His point is that the Second World War can be seen as the agglomeration of conflicts in different regions that just happened to occur at the same time — and that we may be on the verge of the same pattern.


And, with our depleted armaments, he suggests we would struggle to cope in two, let alone three theatres. This is why we should have boosted military production years ago, and should escalate now. It is also why those calling for an explicit guarantee in support for Taiwan are putting the cart before the horse. What is the value of such a commitment if we lack the capacity to defend the island, a point of which China — whose surveillance of US capabilities has ramped up to the point of purchasing land around military sites — is aware.

What should we do, then? It is no good supposing that our nuclear weapons will deter further violations of global rules, for this hasn’t worked thus far. No, our only hope is to understand how we got here in the first place. Putin, we should remember, explicitly wrote down his ambition to create a Russian empire and systematically went about building it — invading South Ossetia and Abkhazia, fomenting division in Ukraine and annexing Crimea. All the while, the likes of David Cameron argued for appeasement, asserting that if we embraced Putin and his criminal retinue a little closer, they would come to absorb our values. Did the money flowing into Conservative coffers and the City of London cloud the Tories’ judgment?

It wasn’t just Britain. Angela Merkel was more than happy to increase German dependence on Russian gas, while Barack Obama pulled his punches even after the iniquities of Crimea and the Donbas (as he did after the use of chemical weapons in Syria). As Peter Conradi put it in a superb commentary in The Sunday Times two weeks ago: “Despite the bloodshed, the American leader was reluctant to become too deeply involved . . . [a position] that goaded Putin to further excesses.”

At the time, most commentators joined in the chorus of denialism, acclaiming these leaders for their “grown-up approach” — for this is what they so desperately wanted to believe. Cameron was described as a sensible statesman; Obama was seen by many as a terrific president; Merkel was hailed as the most rational leader of the age. It was the geopolitical equivalent of a mass sociogenic delusion.



The same dance occurred with the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) — responsible for killing more people than Lenin and Stalin combined — which was invited into the rules-based order on the basis that it would come to respect these rules. Instead, the Chinese took the advantage of “most-favoured nation” status while loading on tariffs and violating international norms. Did we respond by laying down red lines and protecting our long-term interests? No, like a deranged gambler we threw more chips on the table, inviting them to join the WTO, even as their industrial espionage escalated. As late as 2015, George Osborne was gushing: “No economy in the world is as open to Chinese investment as the UK.” It took Donald Trump, awful in so many ways, to break the spell.

And so here we are. “Sensible” commentary continues to warn about the risks of escalation in Ukraine if we provide more weaponry, failing to see that if we don’t act now we merely delay the inevitable. If Putin wins in Ukraine, will he stop there? If he takes the Baltics, will he stop? If Taiwan falls, will the CCP — which explicitly plans a global autocratic hegemony — stop? Where will this leave Poland, Japan, South Korea? Permit me to join the dots: they will do a deal with their oppressors, recognising western pusillanimity knows no bounds.

I mean, have you seen the balance of the UN lately? Have you noticed large swathes of the democratic world have yet to condemn the attack on Ukraine, a point exemplified just last week in the general assembly? Some will say this is due to energy interests, or China’s Belt and Road initiative, but this is pure distraction. They are hedging. They have watched the West acquiesce in landgrabs and violations, and fear they will be next. They are acting deferentially to the autocratic axis because they think it will become the world’s dominant power as the West melts away. US congressmen and women and UK parliamentarians accuse these nations of cowardice, seemingly incapable of seeing the irony.

If this column sounds angry, forgive me. It is based not on hindsight bias but the pent-up frustration of more than a decade calling out our appeasement of Putin, the oligarchs and the CCP — and the way they’ve been allowed to corrupt our institutions. Today, we face a realistic prospect of global war and should act accordingly on defence spending, military hardware, chips, rare-earth metals, energy security and more. If we wish to save the free world, the time for Freudian denialism is over.

One of the funny things about this article, is that the author and the paper that it comes from, are the same that slated everything Donald trump did and painted him as an evil racist.

When in actual fact, Donald trump pointed out absolutely everything said here during his whole presidency, and was called a lunatic for it. He put sanctions on the Russian pipeline in 2019, and warned the G7 about over-reliance on Russian gas & oil.

Trump got a lot wrong, but the reason I like him and would have voted for him if I was American is his anti-war stance. He didn’t want to shed any American blood.

The exact opposite of the military industrial complex led by Obama, Biden and the EU liberal globalists who pretend to be the good guys but instead work to undermine peace at every opportunity.
 
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One of the funny things about this article, is that the author and the paper that it comes from, are the same that slated everything Donald trump did and painted him as an evil racist.

When in actual fact, Donald trump pointed out absolutely everything said here during his whole presidency, and was called a lunatic for it. He put sanctions on the Russian pipeline in 2019, and warned the G7 about over-reliance on Russian gas & oil.

Trump got a lot wrong, but the reason I like him and would have voted for him if I was American is his anti-war stance. He didn’t want to shed any American blood.

The exact opposite of the military industrial complex led by Obama, Biden and the EU liberal globalists who pretend to be the good guys but instead work to undermine peace at every opportunity.
There is Bernie Sanders who is way.better than Trump in his values and as a persona!!
 
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Quroa question. Does ‘trump’ mean fart in English slang??

Indeed, Fart = Trump.

It is significant that both can cause obnoxious smells and unless released with care can cause unwanted problems.

It is important to realise that the former POTUS was indeed a bad smell emanating from the USA and his release from office should be handled cautiously.

Any further ‘accidents’ could lead to the US wearing brown trousers for some time.

Also it's interesting is that both the UK and US had leaders whose surnames are slang in each other’s countries. We have a Johnson and the US has a Trump.
 
Trump got a lot wrong, but the reason I like him and would have voted for him if I was American is his anti-war stance. He didn’t want to shed any American blood.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...ed-to-nuke-north-korea-and-blame-someone-else

Last March, shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine, Donald Trump reportedly told a room full of Republican National Committee donors that the US should “put the Chinese flag” on a bunch of military planes and “bomb the ****” out of Russia—and afterward, “we say, China did it, we didn’t do it, and then they start fighting with each other, and we sit back and watch.”

In a new section of his 2020 book on Trump, as obtained by NBC News, New York Times correspondent Michael Schmidt reveals that Trump spent much of 2017 suggesting “behind closed doors in the Oval office” that he wanted to attack North Korea. The then president, Schmidt writes in the soon-to-be released afterword to Donald Trump v. The United States: Inside the Struggle to Stop a President, “cavalierly discussed the idea of using a nuclear weapon against North Korea, saying that if he took such an action, the administration could blame someone else for it to absolve itself of responsibility.”
 
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Fart jokes aside. He is one of the only western politicians in recent history with a direct & stated goal of trying to prevent wars.

I concede that he did fail at this, but at least he tried.

I am extremely sceptical, however, that the article LTL posted was trying to paint Barack Obama, Bush, Clinton, Biden and that whole cabal of crooks as the “good guys”, when the West is actually statistically worse than Putin:

“Over the past twenty years, as documented in the table below, U.S. and allied air forces have dropped more than 337,000 bombs and missiles on other countries—an average of forty-six strikes per day.“

This is the sort of quantitative data that people should think about before they blindly swallow the pro-war messaging from the establishment. The West is NOT the good guys on the geopolitical stage, and we haven’t been for a long time. There are no “good guys” like in the movies, there are just old psychopaths playing games to stay in power.
 
Fart jokes aside. He is one of the only western politicians in recent history with a direct & stated goal of trying to prevent wars.

I concede that he did fail at this, but at least he tried.

I am extremely sceptical, however, that the article LTL posted was trying to paint Barack Obama, Bush, Clinton, Biden and that whole cabal of crooks as the “good guys”, when the West is actually statistically worse than Putin:

“Over the past twenty years, as documented in the table below, U.S. and allied air forces have dropped more than 337,000 bombs and missiles on other countries—an average of forty-six strikes per day.“

This is the sort of quantitative data that people should think about before they blindly swallow the pro-war messaging from the establishment.

Not really, Os. To be fair to Syed, he does say that Trump was correct in his dealings with China (which by hook or by crook he was), and he suggests Obama and the UK/EU were far too passive in dealing with Putin (which they were).
 
What he's saying there is "we invited this lot into our back garden, thinking they'd play nice. That was silly".

And it was.

That was my point.. Trump explicitly tried to push China away. And he also explicitly told Germany to stop relying on Russian gas as it will be used against them.

The democrats and establishment literally laughed in his face.
 
What he's saying there is "we invited this lot into our back garden, thinking they'd play nice. That was silly".

And it was.

More than anything, western leaders miscalculated how shrewd Putin was. He had an aura as a master tactician, and as a consequence a lot of western leaders believed that he understood that the cost/benefit in an interdependent economic environment was heavily skewed against a full-scale war. But people close to Putin have been aware that he'd long since become incredibly paranoid, insular and obsessed with his own legacy.

https://www.ft.com/content/c039db89-7201-4875-b31f-b41a511496f1?shareType=nongift

“Putin’s used to being lucky. That’s very dangerous for a gambler, because he starts believing fate is on his side,” Pavlovsky says. “When you play Russian roulette, you feel that God is on your side until the shot rings out.” As Putin’s circle became more limited, the picture of the world he received became more distorted. He and his confidants would increasingly spout bizarre conspiracy theories that the west was bent on destroying Russia through everything from gay marriage to anti-corruption activist Alexei Navalny. “You eventually end up in a trap, because your inner circle tries to only tell you good news and what fits your views. Imagine Putin discussing the war in Ukraine with his generals — they’ll rapturously cry, ‘Yes, we can!’ Nobody will resist,” Tatiana Stanovaya, founder of the R.Politik analysis firm, says.

Which is why there's a bit of a danger in suggesting this could have been headed off if the west did ________. Even as it stands, we alternately get the explanation that the west was too passive toward Putin, endlessly seeking negotiation while his actions became more brazen, and that the west was too aggressive, forcing conflict rather than negotiating. I'm not saying either is strictly incorrect, but you can easily imagine a scenario where Europe winnowed its dependence on Russian petrochemicals, followed by an invasion of Ukraine, with the post facto explanation being that removing the EU-Russia economic interdependence left Russia with nothing to lose.
 
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Rishi Sunak, who, let’s not forget, campaigned for Brexit, has pointed out that if the Windsor Agreement can be implemented, the people of Northern Ireland will be in the unique position of having a free trade agreement with not only the rest of the UK, but with the European Union Single Market as well!

The utter imbecility of this situation is beyond belief. Does he even realise the implications of what he has said?