Off Topic Politics Thread

[San Tejón]

Lack of wage growth, especially in the public sector.


THIS year has been the worst for real wage growth for nearly half a century, says the TUC.

Once the rising cost of living is taken into account, it said wages fell by 3% in 2022.

It is the biggest drop since 1977 and the second worst on record since 1945.

Workers have lost £76 a month on average this year as pay did not keep pace with inflation, with those in the public sector losing £180.

The trade union body’s study said nurses’ real salaries went down by £1,800 while paramedics and midwives’ pay plummeted by £2,400 over this year.

TUC General Secretary Frances O’Grady said: “The Conservatives have presided over the longest real wage squeeze in over 200 years.

“We cannot be a country where NHS and teaching staff have to use foodbanks while City bankers are given unlimited bonuses.”

 

[Osvaldorama]

Lack of wage growth, especially in the public sector.


THIS year has been the worst for real wage growth for nearly half a century, says the TUC.

Once the rising cost of living is taken into account, it said wages fell by 3% in 2022.

It is the biggest drop since 1977 and the second worst on record since 1945.

Workers have lost £76 a month on average this year as pay did not keep pace with inflation, with those in the public sector losing £180.

The trade union body’s study said nurses’ real salaries went down by £1,800 while paramedics and midwives’ pay plummeted by £2,400 over this year.

TUC General Secretary Frances O’Grady said: “The Conservatives have presided over the longest real wage squeeze in over 200 years.

“We cannot be a country where NHS and teaching staff have to use foodbanks while City bankers are given unlimited bonuses.”

Its horrendous. The country is on its knees.

There was no answer on 111 yesterday, and the doctors surgery was full all last week. Can’t get my baby daughter looked at by anyone.

 

[Gregm1988]

Its horrendous. The country is on its knees.

There was no answer on 111 yesterday, and the doctors surgery was full all last week. Can’t get my baby daughter looked at by anyone.

I’m starting to appreciate how insanely lucky I was a few weeks ago to get someone from 111 to pick up and, the even more lucky part, get an out of hours doctor to show up

I think I unwittingly made it sound like I had appendicitis from the way I was describing it. Still doesn’t make a difference if no one picks up

 

[Osvaldorama]

I’m starting to appreciate how insanely lucky I was a few weeks ago to get someone from 111 to pick up and, the even more lucky part, get an out of hours doctor to show up

I think I unwittingly made it sound like I had appendicitis from the way I was describing it. Still doesn’t make a difference if no one picks up

Its honestly crazy at the moment. Children’s a&e in Reading had a 4hr wait time just to see a doctor, with no space in the waiting room.

Something is seriously wrong. For a long time I have suspected that the Tory’s plan was to run the NHS into the ground to justify privatising health care, and nothing I have seen in the last decade has changed my mind.

It’s unusable currently.

 

[San Tejón]

Its honestly crazy at the moment. Children’s a&e in Reading had a 4hr wait time just to see a doctor, with no space in the waiting room.

Something is seriously wrong. For a long time I have suspected that the Tory’s plan was to run the NHS into the ground to justify privatising health care, and nothing I have seen in the last decade has changed my mind.

It’s unusable currently.

I raised that exact point on here, about privatisation, many years ago and several posters said they wouldn’t do that because it would cost them too many votes.
I raised the same point a couple of years back and asked if those same posters still felt that the Tories weren’t trying to destroy the NHS.
No one responded.

 

[Osvaldorama]

I raised that exact point on here, about privatisation, many years ago and several posters said they wouldn’t do that because it would cost them too many votes.
I raised the same point a couple of years back and asked if those same posters still felt that the Tories weren’t trying to destroy the NHS.
No one responded.

I think it’s the only explanation, sheer incompetence doesn’t cut it.

 

[Archers Road]

Its horrendous. The country is on its knees.

There was no answer on 111 yesterday, and the doctors surgery was full all last week. Can’t get my baby daughter looked at by anyone.

Hope she’s okay mate

 

[Osvaldorama]

Hope she’s okay mate

Thanks mate - I think it’s just a flu/fever but she’s been barely eating or drinking anything for 4/5 days now.

I honestly feel sick at how stretched the NHS staff are. It’s a national disgrace

 

[Archers Road]

Thanks mate - I think it’s just a flu/fever but she’s been barely eating or drinking anything for 4/5 days now.

I honestly feel sick at how stretched the NHS staff are. It’s a national disgrace

Was talking to a community nurse from St Guys and St Thomas’s the other day. She said they’re starting to see more and more people who are becoming seriously ill because they can’t afford to eat properly, or feed their homes. Not just old people either. The country is destroyed, and having caused it, this government can’t possibly be relied on to fix it.

 

[San Tejón]

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[Ian Thumwood]

I cannot remember anywhen in my lifetime when the NHS can have been considered to have been affluent. It has always been either under-funded or the money has been allocated to the incorrect resources. I think we will eventually end up with a system where people who are affluent will be asked to contribute more and was saying to a mate a few weeks ago that I think that there will be a point at which those of a certain income would not be allowed to take a state pension and the money used to support the services necessary to support the less affluent in society. I would like to see the state pension weighted to the reciprocant's needs. The rich should do more to pay their way in society and when you understand that the likes of Lady Mone would be entitled to a state pension, the ridiculousness of the situation is all too apparent. These days there seem to be plenty of "super rich" businessmen and I would like to see an equitable government ensure that the surpluses they make are taxed and spent on helping the less fortunate and sorting out the NHS. The doctors and nurses do not earn a fraction of their true worth and the money would be far better spent attracting the best quality workforce available so that the NHS becomes a desirable employer to work for. It is strange how contemporary society rewards business people who design bras, build up excessive wealth through online betting or through technical innovation with the work being taken to factories abroad where labour is cheap. To me, this is all topsy-turvy. I know the argument is that risk in buisness should be rewarded but this is a double edged sword. Excessive profits should be channelled in to the benefit ofsociety as a whole and not in to the pockets of individuals like Lady Mone whose moral compass would seem to be somewhat lacking.

 

[Osvaldorama]

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New definition of the word “woman” just dropped. Beyond parody at this point.

And people say there’s no woke agenda

 

[Archers Road]

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New definition of the word “woman” just dropped. Beyond parody at this point.

And people say there’s no woke agenda

Which edition of which Cambridge dictionary might that be?

 

[StJabbo1]

Which edition of which Cambridge dictionary might that be?

It's here. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman but only part of it was in the twat Rufo's sensationalised tweet. There's quite a lot more in the full definition of course.

A1 [ C ]
an adult female human being:
She's a really nice woman.
A woman and two men were arrested the day after the explosion.
Women first got the vote in Britain in 1918.
She is Ireland's first woman (= female) president.

an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth:
She was the first trans woman elected to a national office.
mary is a woman who was assigned male at birth.

[ C ] informal
a wife or female sexual partner:
Apparently, Jeff has a new woman.

[ U ] women in general:
He is writing a book on the representation of woman in medieval art.

-woman suffix
UK / -wʊm.ən/ US / -wʊm.ən/

form nouns describing certain types of women or women with certain jobs:
an Englishwoman/Frenchwoman
a chairwoman

woman | AMERICAN DICTIONARY

woman
noun [ C ]

US /ˈwʊm·ən/ /ˈwʌm-/

plural women US/ˈwɪm·ən/

adult female human being:
Our chief of police is a woman, and our mayor is a woman, too.
She is an active, elderly woman.
More men than women suffer from high blood pressure.
Idiom
See also
womankind old-fashioned
womenfolk old-fashioned
More examples

• A woman with a clipboard stopped us in the street to ask us some questions.
• Her new film deals with the relationship between a woman and her sick daughter.
• It is an illness which afflicts women more than men.
• In the 1920s, short hair for women became the vogue.
• The painter has managed to capture every nuance of the woman's expression.

 

[San Tejón]

I cannot remember anywhen in my lifetime when the NHS can have been considered to have been affluent. It has always been either under-funded or the money has been allocated to the incorrect resources. I think we will eventually end up with a system where people who are affluent will be asked to contribute more and was saying to a mate a few weeks ago that I think that there will be a point at which those of a certain income would not be allowed to take a state pension and the money used to support the services necessary to support the less affluent in society. I would like to see the state pension weighted to the reciprocant's needs. The rich should do more to pay their way in society and when you understand that the likes of Lady Mone would be entitled to a state pension, the ridiculousness of the situation is all too apparent. These days there seem to be plenty of "super rich" businessmen and I would like to see an equitable government ensure that the surpluses they make are taxed and spent on helping the less fortunate and sorting out the NHS. The doctors and nurses do not earn a fraction of their true worth and the money would be far better spent attracting the best quality workforce available so that the NHS becomes a desirable employer to work for. It is strange how contemporary society rewards business people who design bras, build up excessive wealth through online betting or through technical innovation with the work being taken to factories abroad where labour is cheap. To me, this is all topsy-turvy. I know the argument is that risk in buisness should be rewarded but this is a double edged sword. Excessive profits should be channelled in to the benefit ofsociety as a whole and not in to the pockets of individuals like Lady Mone whose moral compass would seem to be somewhat lacking.

Just taking your last sentence about moral compass.
A financial company, majority owned by her husband, has had 49 complaints made against it for losing investors money.
43 of the 49 complaints were upheld, and many were ex-service people who were persuaded to move their pension out of the MoD golden pension plan that has a final salary pension scheme.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/army-veterans-left-out-pocket-28716829

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

It's here. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman but only part of it was in the twat Rufo's sensationalised tweet. There's quite a lot more in the full definition of course.

A1 [ C ]
an adult female human being:
She's a really nice woman.
A woman and two men were arrested the day after the explosion.
Women first got the vote in Britain in 1918.
She is Ireland's first woman (= female) president.

an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth:
She was the first trans woman elected to a national office.
mary is a woman who was assigned male at birth.

[ C ] informal
a wife or female sexual partner:
Apparently, Jeff has a new woman.

[ U ] women in general:
He is writing a book on the representation of woman in medieval art.

-woman suffix
UK / -wʊm.ən/ US / -wʊm.ən/

form nouns describing certain types of women or women with certain jobs:
an Englishwoman/Frenchwoman
a chairwoman

woman | AMERICAN DICTIONARY

woman
noun [ C ]

US /ˈwʊm·ən/ /ˈwʌm-/

plural women US/ˈwɪm·ən/

adult female human being:
Our chief of police is a woman, and our mayor is a woman, too.
She is an active, elderly woman.
More men than women suffer from high blood pressure.
Idiom
See also
womankind old-fashioned
womenfolk old-fashioned
More examples

• A woman with a clipboard stopped us in the street to ask us some questions.
• Her new film deals with the relationship between a woman and her sick daughter.
• It is an illness which afflicts women more than men.
• In the 1920s, short hair for women became the vogue.
• The painter has managed to capture every nuance of the woman's expression.

Os taking things out of context and blindly believing them? NEVER!?

 

[StJabbo1]

No one on here lets the truth get in the way of a good story, or bad for that matter.

 

[tiggermaster]

You might have noticed over the years that my politics are to the left, but within the democractic spectrum, such an 'in', not woke word these days. Anyway, I usually enjoy Os's contributions, often finding them thought provoking. I might disagree, mainly I do, but ideas that challenge me helps makes this forum what it is.. A very merry Xmas and happy new year to you all. COYR... Sounds like they are all fit!

 

[Osvaldorama]

You might have noticed over the years that my politics are to the left, but within the democractic spectrum, such an 'in', not woke word these days. Anyway, I usually enjoy Os's contributions, often finding them thought provoking. I might disagree, mainly I do, but ideas that challenge me helps makes this forum what it is.. A very merry Xmas and happy new year to you all. COYR... Sounds like they are all fit!

Thanks for that. Contrary to popular belief on here, I don’t blindly believe everything that I read.

I truly want to make the world and society a better place. And I honestly, genuinely believe that the extreme left wing agenda is as harmful as extreme right wing propaganda.

I don’t think it’s right to tell young children that transitioning is totally harmless. I think it’s possible to support people that genuinely want/need to transition, whilst simultaneously protecting young people from being indoctrinated by big pharma who want to push these ideas to line their own pockets.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Thanks for that. Contrary to popular belief on here, I don’t blindly believe everything that I read.

I truly want to make the world and society a better place. And I honestly, genuinely believe that the extreme left wing agenda is as harmful as extreme right wing propaganda.

I don’t think it’s right to tell young children that transitioning is totally harmless. I think it’s possible to support people that genuinely want/need to transition, whilst simultaneously protecting young people from being indoctrinated by big pharma who want to push these ideas to line their own pockets.

Agreed with all of this.