Off Topic Politics Thread

[Osvaldorama]

Os, you really should get Schad back from your ignore list. He’s about the only one left with the patience to respond to your hysteria, but you’re not seeing his posts.

I have absolutely zero interest in hearing what his thoughts are. He is an extremely rude person.

I am not sure why you think I am being hysterical when I am simply sharing provable information?

This is not even a political issue really. If this was right wing censoring I’d feel just as strongly.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

I have absolutely zero interest in hearing what his thoughts are. He is an extremely rude person.

I am not sure why you think I am being hysterical when I am simply sharing provable information?

This is not even a political issue really. If this was right wing censoring I’d feel just as strongly.

Elon Musk is pretty rude too, but you’re very interested i what he has to say…

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

I do wish you would listen to Schad though, because he takes the time to deconstruct your arguments with facts and stuff. I know you aren’t interested in listening to information that disproves you though. That’s been made very evident, and is largely why people can’t be arsed any longer to bother engaging with you on this page.

 

[Gregm1988]

You called me unhinged.

I don’t trust any media blindly, left or right.

I trust Musk in this instance because he literally posted proof with screenshots.

The one being inconsistent is you. You are applying political narratives to a post which was simply information sharing

Ah - I can see how it read that way. My apologies. Grammatical clumsiness of the English language. I meant the you are getting this from a rabbit hole of unhinged right wing content providers / sources. (Of which Musk is now one). Not that you were an unhinged right winger.

You can deny blindly trusting the media from certain sides all you like. Your posting history does not back it up I’m afraid.

And this isn’t the school playground here. “I know you are but what am I” is not exactly a winning strategy. But neither was it back then. Applying political narratives isn’t inconsistent anyway. It is what everyone does - including, quite clearly despite your denials, you.

It’s the difference in levels of scrutiny and suspicion I am pointing to. You are happy to theorise nefarious purposes of the “mainstream media”. But are silent on the hypothetical question of Musk’s motives here. That - is inconsistency. If you want to tell me that he is a free speech champion and is completely altruistic then fine. You can have that opinion. But assuming that is not the case (it isn’t btw) ask why is he doing this? Why does it matter? Why does he care?

 

[Gregm1988]

I have absolutely zero interest in hearing what his thoughts are. He is an extremely rude person.

I am not sure why you think I am being hysterical when I am simply sharing provable information?

This is not even a political issue really. If this was right wing censoring I’d feel just as strongly.

The reason you are being called hysterical has already been pointed out. It is because you are going out claiming this is the biggest political scandal of your lifetime. I’m not sure how old you are but even if you are 12 (I know you aren’t) - it simply isn’t.

Indeed most of the narrative I have seen over this has said most of what has been released is stuff that is already known to people who followed this closely and that the only new information (in part 1) at least was that Twitter pulled nude picks of Hunter (posting them would have been a breach of their terms and conditions anyway)

You are wringing your hands over claims that a constitutional amendment in another country was violated (it wasn’t). You are invoking spectres of authoritarianism when these stories are primarily gobbled up by those on the right who (at least in our country) want to ban strikes among a whole host of authoritarian things.

Covid has done a number on some people and made them mix up who the authoritarian ones really are. And where culture is lead by American where the democrats enforced the lockdowns people think it is a left wing / liberal / progressive thing to be in favour of strict lockdowns and therefore left = authoritarian and right = personal freedom. Which is mad because it is one issue in one country that seems to be driving this. Consider that it was conservative governments in the U.K. and Australia that also put them in place. And Australia’s were insane. But the right are suddenly tied to freedom? Worldwide?

 

[Osvaldorama]

The reason you are being called hysterical has already been pointed out. It is because you are going out claiming this is the biggest political scandal of your lifetime. I’m not sure how old you are but even if you are 12 (I know you aren’t) - it simply isn’t.

Indeed most of the narrative I have seen over this has said most of what has been released is stuff that is already known to people who followed this closely and that the only new information (in part 1) at least was that Twitter pulled nude picks of Hunter (posting them would have been a breach of their terms and conditions anyway)

You are wringing your hands over claims that a constitutional amendment in another country was violated (it wasn’t). You are invoking spectres of authoritarianism when these stories are primarily gobbled up by those on the right who (at least in our country) want to ban strikes among a whole host of authoritarian things.

Covid has done a number on some people and made them mix up who the authoritarian ones really are. And where culture is lead by American where the democrats enforced the lockdowns people think it is a left wing / liberal / progressive thing to be in favour of strict lockdowns and therefore left = authoritarian and right = personal freedom. Which is mad because it is one issue in one country that seems to be driving this. Consider that it was conservative governments in the U.K. and Australia that also put them in place. And Australia’s were insane. But the right are suddenly tied to freedom? Worldwide?

It wasn’t known. I was called a lunatic for suggesting that these things were happening. To pretend that people accepted and knew this was happening is a straight up lie.

I’m not “invoking spectres of authoritarianism”. I’m telling you that this is 100% cold hard proof of authoritarian behaviour. The government has a direct line into the biggest media platforms to control narratives.

Question for you;
If Musk producing verified evidence of authoritarian behaviour isn’t enough for you, what is?

I have said above that this isn’t a left or right wing issue. This is an issue, fundamentally, about narrative control and how scary that is for democracy as a whole.

The fact you’re conflating my posting history with this subject says a lot.

Its you that is linking this with the right wing. I have been saying it’s bipartisan. I am no fan of the hard right, but I am also not a fan of dictators, corruption and criminal propaganda.

 

[StJabbo1]

What a lot twatting twitters! Who the **** takes any notice of, or credence to social media disgraces? Anything and everything needs questioning and verifying, not much stands up to scrutiny.

 

[Osvaldorama]

What a lot twatting twitters! Who the **** takes any notice of, or credence to social media disgraces? Anything and everything needs questioning and verifying, not much stands up to scrutiny.

Twitter is one of the biggest platforms with an absolutely massive reach and impact.

It’s absolutely worth taking notice of. Plus, if it’s been proven at Twitter, you can all but guarantee it’s happening on Google, Facebook, legacy media etc.

And you may think it’s fine now because you agree with the narratives they’re pushing. But what about when the same power structures are used by someone you disagree with

 

[StJabbo1]

Twitter is one of the biggest platforms with an absolutely massive reach and impact.

It’s absolutely worth taking notice of. Plus, if it’s been proven at Twitter, you can all but guarantee it’s happening on Google, Facebook, legacy media etc.

And you may think it’s fine now because you agree with the narratives they’re pushing. But what about when the same power structures are used by someone you disagree with

You're in danger of taking my post and your own far to seriously.

What you consider to have absolutely massive reach and impact and be absolutely worth taking notice of is considered to be of little or no consequence by others.

What you consider proven others do not.

What narratives are being pushed that I may agree or disagree with?

 

[Schad]

It wasn’t known. I was called a lunatic for suggesting that these things were happening. To pretend that people accepted and knew this was happening is a straight up lie.

I’m not “invoking spectres of authoritarianism”. I’m telling you that this is 100% cold hard proof of authoritarian behaviour. The government has a direct line into the biggest media platforms to control narratives.

Question for you;
If Musk producing verified evidence of authoritarian behaviour isn’t enough for you, what is?

I have said above that this isn’t a left or right wing issue. This is an issue, fundamentally, about narrative control and how scary that is for democracy as a whole.

The fact you’re conflating my posting history with this subject says a lot.

Its you that is linking this with the right wing. I have been saying it’s bipartisan. I am no fan of the hard right, but I am also not a fan of dictators, corruption and criminal propaganda.

It's literally in the Twitter Terms of Service, and Twitter had a big press conference a few years back when they announced this policy as a means to minimize the reach of hate speech (because, again, advertisers don't tend to like it).

Also, the existence of the moderation tools "revealed" here were...revealed over two years ago, by the liberal media.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgxd3d/twitter-insider-access-panel-account-hacks-biden-uber-bezos

 

[Osvaldorama]

You're in danger of taking my post and your own far to seriously.

What you consider to have absolutely massive reach and impact and be absolutely worth taking notice of is considered to be of little or no consequence by others.

What you consider proven others do not.

What narratives are being pushed that I may agree or disagree with?

Are you saying that stifling politicians engagement with millions of potential voters during an election cycle is not a massive deal? So far they’ve only shown the US related things but I imagine it’s worldwide. Elon Musk said he’s going to release all of the data, so we will see soon enough.

You know the narratives I mean. We’ve discussed it on here many times. Enforced vaccinations, mandatory lockdowns, woke culture etc.

Because the government/Twitter/media cartel is pushing these narratives which you are in favour of, you are saying that it’s no big deal.
But try and imagine for a second if it was Donald Trump’s government in charge and Twitter was being used to censor BLM coverage. How would you feel then?

 

[StJabbo1]

Are you saying that stifling politicians engagement with millions of potential voters during an election cycle is not a massive deal? So far they’ve only shown the US related things but I imagine it’s worldwide. Elon Musk said he’s going to release all of the data, so we will see soon enough.

You know the narratives I mean. We’ve discussed it on here many times. Enforced vaccinations, mandatory lockdowns, woke culture etc.

Because the government/Twitter/media cartel is pushing these narratives which you are in favour of, you are saying that it’s no big deal.
But try and imagine for a second if it was Donald Trump’s government in charge and Twitter was being used to censor BLM coverage. How would you feel then?

So who's been forced to vaccinate? Those that choose not to can refuse.
Twitter is not somewhere I go for information or sensible discussion.
Trump is a **** peddling lies and misinformation leading to violence.
BLM does matter. Being called woke is a compliment as far as I'm concerned, it's the right wing arseholes that use it as an insult.

 

[Schad]

Which is more alarming:

- A publicly-traded company introduces publicly-announced moderation tools to its platform, largely to attempt to avoid being targeted by lawsuits for allowing calls to violence or whatever, and to keep their advertisers from fleeing, or;

- The world's richest man starts making moderation decisions his own damned self, based on what is desired by his new best friends, a bunch of alt-right weirdos who have gotten him to activate the account of Andrew Anglin, a self-avowed Nazi, publisher of the influential Nazi website The Daily Stormer, and a guy who had to leave the United States because he got sued successfully so many times for campaigns of harassment. Meanwhile, a bunch of lefty independent journalists who were targeted by the alt-right have been suspended since shortly after Elon took over, and Twitter has yet to say why.

Because for me, the latter kinda seems worse?

 

[Osvaldorama]

So who's been forced to vaccinate? Those that choose not to can refuse.
Twitter is not somewhere I go for information or sensible discussion.
Trump is a **** peddling lies and misinformation leading to violence.
BLM does matter. Being called woke is a compliment as far as I'm concerned, it's the right wing arseholes that use it as an insult.

Yeah I don’t want to get into the vaccine/crime against humanity chat again. But many people were forced to get injected just to keep their livelihoods

Twitter if curated correctly is the best source for news as it is faster than legacy media and with more input.

Being “Woke” is a virtue signalling mind virus for people that can’t think for themselves and just follow the current thing.

But you missed my point in that post completely. I’m not defending trump at all. I’m criticising the authoritarian control of information. I don’t see why speaking out against censorship is getting me tarred with a right wing brush

 

[Schad]

Being “Woke” is a virtue signalling mind virus for people that can’t think for themselves and just follow the current thing.

The irony of this is astounding.

Also, for anyone curious, "the current thing" is a popular meme among the acolytes of Musk/other venture capitalist sorts/Intellectual Dark Web dingbats:

https://slate.com/technology/2022/05/current-thing-meme-twitter-elon-musk-marc-andreessen.html

Which is another way of saying that even Os' term for people who 'can't think for themselves' is something he adopted because other people say it.

 

[StJabbo1]

Yeah I don’t want to get into the vaccine/crime against humanity chat again. But many people were forced to get injected just to keep their livelihoods

Twitter if curated correctly is the best source for news as it is faster than legacy media and with more input.

Being “Woke” is a virtue signalling mind virus for people that can’t think for themselves and just follow the current thing.

But you missed my point in that post completely. I’m not defending trump at all. I’m criticising the authoritarian control of information

You brought vaccination up along with the crimes against humanity bullshit bollocks. The vast majority of populations were/are happy to be vaccinated it's what lead along with other measures, to what's becoming the new normal.

Twitter as a reliable, verifiable news source? Maybe for you but only on your terms it would appear. The moderation tools were in the public domain two years ago as previously posted.

Your version of woke as "virtue signalling mind virus" is straight out of the right/alt right antivax mind **** rhetoric. I'm not your "woke"

I haven't missed your point you've missed mine, as stated Trump is a ****.

 

[Osvaldorama]

You brought vaccination up along with the crimes against humanity bullshit bollocks. The vast majority of populations were/are happy to be vaccinated it's what lead along with other measures, to what's becoming the new normal.

Twitter as a reliable, verifiable news source? Maybe for you but only on your terms it would appear. The moderation tools were in the public domain two years ago as previously posted.

Your version of woke as "virtue signalling mind virus" is straight out of the right/alt right antivax mind **** rhetoric. I'm not your "woke"

I haven't missed your point you've missed mine, as stated Trump is a ****.

I really hope you don’t learn the hard way what all this stuff means. Blindly accepting greater and greater government control over everything is a terrible road to be on IMO. Genuinely hope you’re right and I’m wrong. I wish I could blindly trust the way that you do.

No, the moderation tools were not in the public domain. They lied and said they weren’t shadowbanning everyone. They denied everything.

This isn’t some sort of crazy conspiracy theory, it’s literally true and all out in the open. Just because he media sources you read haven’t mentioned it doesn’t mean it’s not real.

 

[San Tejón]

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[StJabbo1]

I really hope you don’t learn the hard way what all this stuff means. Blindly accepting greater and greater government control over everything is a terrible road to be on IMO. Genuinely hope you’re right and I’m wrong. I wish I could blindly trust the way that you do.

No, the moderation tools were not in the public domain. They lied and said they weren’t shadowbanning everyone. They denied everything.

This isn’t some sort of crazy conspiracy theory, it’s literally true and all out in the open. Just because he media sources you read haven’t mentioned it doesn’t mean it’s not real.

What is the hard way for ****s sake? Am I or anyone else posting here accepting more government control, or the deep state ****.? No not at all.

You say twitter is a news source. Paragraph at the most of inane drivel apposed to in depth reporting with articles that have links to verifiable sources. Read this and compare it with twit ****e https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...inside-story-of-the-michelle-mone-ppe-scandal

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

I really hope you don’t learn the hard way what all this stuff means. Blindly accepting greater and greater government control over everything is a terrible road to be on IMO. Genuinely hope you’re right and I’m wrong. I wish I could blindly trust the way that you do.

No, the moderation tools were not in the public domain. They lied and said they weren’t shadowbanning everyone. They denied everything.

This isn’t some sort of crazy conspiracy theory, it’s literally true and all out in the open. Just because he media sources you read haven’t mentioned it doesn’t mean it’s not real.

“Genuinely hope you’re right and I’m wrong”

You see, that’s nonsense, Os. You are desperate to be right, to the degree you regularly just ignore better informed posts that refute your more speculative theories, and plough on regardless. You’re happy to continually believe any source that backs up what you feel, and ignore any source that goes against it. To the degree that you’ll actually put people on automatic ignore that can be arsed to deconstruct this stuff.

The worrying thing to me is the fact you would actually far rather the world was as messed up as it seems to be in your head, so that you can be right and say ‘told you so’., as evidenced by the ‘gotcha’ posts (that never are).