Off Topic Politics Thread

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Gregm1988 said:
Are you disagreeing with yourself within the same post?

Isn’t the middle part supposed to be in blue? Because it kind of would be…
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No . I like to think the rest of the world would take a deep breath and let it go . Yes I am a t**t , but I don’t know what to think any more .
 
Ian Thumwood said:
Some of you are living in the world of Tom Clancy.

There is no way British citizens will be operating in Ukraine. If they are captured this gives the Russians exactly the propaganda they need. It is pure fiction.

With regard to what happened in Salisbury, this was a botched operation by just two operatives. Lets assume that the Russians really wanted to do some damage, the effects could be catastrophic should they wish it to be.

i detest what Putin has done but it should be left to the people of Russia and Ukraine to sort out the differences even if the Wst dislikes what is happening in the short term. The best position at the moment iis to remain neutral. Putin's rein will come to an end natrually from within and there is no need for the West to try and exacerbate the system. It is a matter of being patient and playing the long game,

Shocked that some of these rather rash comments that have been posted of late are coming from people whose posts I enjoy and admire when it comes to talking about football and music.
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The people of Russia and Ukraine have few differences to sort out. Ukraine is something like 1/3 ethnic Russian.
 
Number 1 Jasper said:
No . I like to think the rest of the world would take a deep breath and let it go . Yes I am a t**t , but I don’t know what to think any more .
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Let what go? What specific scenario do you envision when you say “push the button”. To fire how much and at whom?
 
Gregm1988 said:
It also has very little to do with the people of each respective nation. This is Putin. Anyone who understood his speech last week should have grasped this
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Yeah that's the point I was trying to make. Neither people want this war. I was speaking to a Russian i know a little yesterday who has always been very anti Putin. she wishes they could do something to to the war but every protest they have had against Putin has just lead to arrests and nothing else. I think we need to show that this is different to the past and change might actually happen if they take action if we want Putin to be forced out.
 
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Ian Thumwood said:
I am staggered by the rather ridiculous comments about "black operations" in Ukraine/ How stupid is this ? How are these people goinng to be deployed given that Russia currently has Ukraine surrounded and anything flying over the airspace will be likely to get shot down. By the same token, does no one remember what two agents managed to do in Salisbury a few years ago and not think that this would give the Russians an excuse to do something even worse. ?
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Ever heard of Poland Ian? It shares a 332 mile border with Ukraine and has been a member of the EU since 2004. If you have information that Putin’s forces are currently occupying Poland please share it with us.

I only mentioned the black ops idea because I would be surprised if they weren’t already there.
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
Ever heard of Poland Ian? It shares a 332 mile border with Ukraine and has been a member of the EU since 2004. If you have information that Putin’s forces are currently occupying Poland please share it with us.

I only mentioned the black ops idea because I would be surprised if they weren’t already there.
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They are. But people don’t want to believe that for whatever reason.
 
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Archers Road said:
I think it means what it says; veterans of the Kurdish war of independence, mercenaries, adventurers.
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Well look. I’m no expert, neither are you (I presume) and Ian definitely isn’t.

I just double checked with someone who definitely is, and asked “do you think there are special forces people already there”, to which he answered, “for sure. 100%”.

I’m inclined to believe him over someone reading a book on Roman history. Whether you do or not is up to you.
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
Ever heard of Poland Ian? It shares a 332 mile border with Ukraine and has been a member of the EU since 2004. If you have information that Putin’s forces are currently occupying Poland please share it with us.

I only mentioned the black ops idea because I would be surprised if they weren’t already there.
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Even if Ukraine was surrounded, its a massive country with a massive border. Im not sure Russia has the manpower to fight the Ukrainian army and secure the borders at the same time. Ukraine is a massive expanse of fields and forests with some towns and dense cities scattered in between. I would guess very easy for small groups to move around and hide in.
 
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Le Tissier's Laces said:
Well look. I’m no expert, neither are you (I presume) and Ian definitely isn’t.

I just double checked with someone who definitely is, and asked “do you think there are special forces people already there”, to which he answered, “for sure. 100%”.

I’m inclined to believe him over someone reading a book on Roman history. Whether you do or not is up to you.
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Reading a book on Roman history and seemingly using Morning Star as a primary source of news and editorials
 
Just for reference, the majority of what I splurge on here about this situation is a rehash of chats with my friend. He's got everything correct so far (which is no surprise as he's worked in military intelligence for the past 20 years, and prior to that was in the special forces). The only thing he's got wrong, is that he didn't think Putin would actually invade Ukraine, because it would be tactically such a bad idea, for the reasons that have been borne out since this started. So I believe what he says, over and above any armchair experts. That's my position!
 
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Le Tissier's Laces said:
I think that the only thing I agree with here is your last sentence. They will do, yes. But it's precisely because of the measures you very wrongly dismiss in the rest of the post that will be the reason why the balance will tip and provide their motivation to do so.

Other than that, I fundamentally disagree with all of the above.

I mean, point 2. You think they should meet in Belarus!??!?! But it should be brokered by a country from South America or Asia "where there has been no meddling from Putin". Really, Ian?
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Well said, LTL - I think this crisis has shown the EU to be stronger than anyone, especially Putin, who’s spent years trying to weaken it, thought.
As for meeting in Belarus, really? Do you think if Ukraine’s democratically elected president went there to negotiate he would ever return? What he’s done is far more sensible - send diplomats to meet on the border to discuss. I think Putin massively underestimated the resolve of the Ukrainian people and he thought that by buying the U.K government and facilitating Brexit to weaken the EU would mean no sanctions. Hopefully wiser heads will now quietly remove him and broker some level of peace
 
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