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It would be more significant if Ross led more than 6 MP’s, but as you say in your next post, it could be the start of the flood.
Johnson will eventually go, but as I have said before, I don’t want him to go too soon as it will just give the media longer to rewrite history and falsely claim that Johnson was the only corrupt, lying scumbag in the party.
I think the only credible (if you can call him credible after his time as Health Secretary brought doctors out on strike) is Jeremy Hunt, simply because, unless I have missed it, he hasn’t been putting himself in front of the media and repeated ad nauseam the lies spouted by Johnson.
Every other mainstream Tory MP, and rival for party leader, has repeated Johnson’s lies, and covered up his shortcomings, which, in a sensible world, would make them as untouchable as Johnson. But this is the UK and the media WILL rewrite history and paint the likes of Gove, Sunak, Truss et al as decent people, and the gullible will fall for.
I think the only credible (if you can call him credible after his time as Health Secretary brought doctors out on strike) is Jeremy Hunt, simply because, unless I have missed it, he hasn’t been putting himself in front of the media and repeated ad nauseam the lies spouted by Johnson.
Every other mainstream Tory MP, and rival for party leader, has repeated Johnson’s lies, and covered up his shortcomings, which, in a sensible world, would make them as untouchable as Johnson. But this is the UK and the media WILL rewrite history and paint the likes of Gove, Sunak, Truss et al as decent people, and the gullible will fall for.
They’ll fall for it with Sunak. Not convinced on the others. Gove has been around for ages for starters.
Raab is out of the question as the party was apparently for him! And he looks like a murderer
Hunt, for all his faults, is a grown up, so that's a massive step forwards...
Before the 2019 General Election campaign, Johnson forced every sitting Tory MP, and every Tory candidate, to sign up to his Get Brexit Done and While You’re At It Lie About Everything Else Manifesto. Those who wouldn’t sign, like Grieve, Clarke, and so on, were EXPELLED from the Tory Party.
They are all in this together, they are all complicit in Johnson’s lies. None of them, not a single Tory MP, is fit for the highest office.
This may be true but nothing can be done about it. They will seemingly always get at least 40 percent of the seats come what may. And if Boris is forced out one of them has to take over
Yeah but wasn't it Hunt, as Secretary of State for Health, who ignored Cygnus and presided over the neglect of our care homes?
Following on from my last line about the gullible.
The 6.30 ITV news showed an elderly gentleman saying (and I am paraphrasing).
I will vote for the party again, but only if Johnson is no longer the party leader.
And there you have it, in one sentence.
A Tory voter (elderly, white, male) has already whitewashed the fact that the entire party is covered in the same excrement as Johnson, but he is still prepared to support them.
Here’s a 3 words slogan, the Tories can have on me.
Ideology before decency.
I'm not saying I think he's *good*. It's just a very low bar!
As I have mentioned before, I lean slightly right of centre.
Normally, my vote goes to the Tory party without many questions asked. I say normally. In 2019 it went to Corbyn, not because I truly believed he would be a great leader of the country, but because I couldn't morally vote for Boris.
Same predicament now. I cannot see who could replace him that would allow me to sleep at night if I voted for them.
Maybe the 'older' Tory voters will vote anyone but Boris, but I really think that the normal Tory voter won't.
Normally, my vote goes to the Tory party without many questions asked. I say normally. In 2019 it went to Corbyn, not because I truly believed he would be a great leader of the country, but because I couldn't morally vote for Boris.
Same predicament now. I cannot see who could replace him that would allow me to sleep at night if I voted for them.
Maybe the 'older' Tory voters will vote anyone but Boris, but I really think that the normal Tory voter won't.
People underestimate how tribal many voters (on both sides) are. They will just refuse to vote Labour even if it means voting Boris
Those to the left seem more fickle and I don’t just mean the former red wall places. But those on the right in both the U.K. and the US stick far more to their party above all else. Even the politicians. Looks at Ted Cruz bowing down and kissing the backside of Trump after all he said about his wife and father
Those to the left seem more fickle and I don’t just mean the former red wall places. But those on the right in both the U.K. and the US stick far more to their party above all else. Even the politicians. Looks at Ted Cruz bowing down and kissing the backside of Trump after all he said about his wife and father
There are a large number of people who don’t get that Rosie is a brilliant satirist. This, I feel, reflects the state to which politics in this country has degenerated. Anyway, she kills it:
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It's forever been thus. Those on the left spend as much time arguing with those on the left as they do with those on the right. Those on the right will have the occasional quick, bloody palace coup, and then fall back into lockstep.
There was an iteeview on Radio 4 last night with an MP who had worked for Boris at No. 10 and she explained the fact that Downing Street effectively an office block where four properties share the garden. It was quite interesting to hear how Downing Stret functions and it struck me that the whole "No. 10 Party scenario" has been totally misrepresented. What happened was effectively an office break for staff who had been working long hours. The memos were badly worded yet the reality was that Boris has only come out of hospital a few days earlier and was still recuperating from Covid himself would strike me as exonerating him in this one particular instance. The fact that Boris is also a resident does make it appear worse but, although I am no fan of Boris, I think that this latest party allegation has been blown out of proportion. For my money, there are far more serious things for which the PM should be held accountable for and I am not convinced that this latest party allegation is sufficiently serious. to be a resigning matter.