This current government is so ****ing incompetently dreadful that I have started to think the unimaginable and that Margaret Thatcher was a decent, honourable politician and a great leader. I will start being suicidal next FFS.
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The thing with the older politicians is that even if you thought they were awful or their policies were wrong or what they did was wrong, they did it for what they believed was for the good of the country. This lot do what is for the good of themselves.
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And when you think of her as the visionary she was, such as shutting down those pesky coal mines single handed to save the planet, what is not to love
There'd be no coming back. You'd have to retire to the back woods, never to be seen again.I always said I’d try anything once
Javid was, in fact, travelling to Carlisle to open the new cancer centre based at Cumberland Infirmary. The government are spinning this as a new hospital opening. Sure, it's great to have a new centre for cancer treatment (in planning since 2017) but utterly wrong to call it a whole new hospital. One might call it a lie, but apparently we can't do that.
Definitely a lie and definitely miss leading.
It’s a shame the press/media are not pulling them up on this.
Oh yes we can call it a lie. It's not allowed in parliament where spaffer & Co have been taking lying to new heights.
Well I suppose if Deborah Meaden can do it…
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Isn’t Jonathan Ashworth allowed to challenge this in parliament?
It’s clearly a lie so surely he can be challenged.
Dawn Butler, the backbench Labour MP, was told to leave the Commons last month after repeatedly accusing Boris Johnson of “lying over and over again”. It’s about time Starmer and his front bench team started doing the same. Everybody knows they all lie, why not call a spade a spade?
It’s the usual smoke and mirrors for the media to spread to their followers.
As I understand it, it is a cancer unit attached to an existing building, that was ear marked before Johnson’s tenure, so not part of his false promises.
As someone said, it’s the same as putting a new shed in your garden and claiming to now own two properties.
Excuse me, I have to go and redesign my kitchen, or do the washing up as I used to call it.
Winston Churchill used the phrase 'Terminological Inexactitude' in parliament, to decribe a lie, without saying it was a lie. More recently, Jacob Rees Mogg used the same phrase, for the same reasons.
Sorry but that bit about previous politicians putting the country first is so wrong.
No way did Thatcher put this country before the party. She was no different in her beliefs, she just did things in a way that it wasn’t immediately obvious to outsiders that she was ****ing over the working class.
She started the ball rolling with privatisation, which is equal to the cronyism we have seen throughout the pandemic and the stealth privatisation of the NHS, all designed to enrich her friends, donors and colleagues.
She also started the selling off of the council housing stock, to harvest a bunch of new supporters, whilst not building rules into the selling off of the houses to have them replaced because she, like Cameron and Osborne, knew that council house tenants were more likely to vote Labour.
Then there was the destruction of the unions and employment law, which is getting worse by the year.
If there had been internet at the time, I think the stories about Thatcher, would be the same as they are about Johnson.
Whilst I agree with a bit of what you have said, I will rephrase my original post - Older politicians, followed their beliefs (and by virtue of that the beliefs of their party) to do what they thought was good for the country based on their ideologies. Current politicians are more interested in lining their own pockets and in it for self interest, whilst hiding behind fundamental 'beliefs' within their party.
I really dont get what the whole fuss is about with you guys about the lying.
You all know they are lying, no matter who was in charge would be lying, yet the amount of shock on here when Badger does his daily round of posts about the lying, is funny to watch.
How any of you are actually shocked anymore - it is beyond me.
I get the whole ‘we want to make people accountable’ stance, and in some sense it is laudable, but nothing ever really happens, no one is barely made accountable, so I guess that I why it bothers me less, cant be giving my time or fury to that.
The one Q i would ask though, is if one of the other parties was in, you know maybe the one most of you support, would you all be so forthcoming with shedding light on it - I’m not convinced.
You all know they are lying, no matter who was in charge would be lying, yet the amount of shock on here when Badger does his daily round of posts about the lying, is funny to watch.
How any of you are actually shocked anymore - it is beyond me.
I get the whole ‘we want to make people accountable’ stance, and in some sense it is laudable, but nothing ever really happens, no one is barely made accountable, so I guess that I why it bothers me less, cant be giving my time or fury to that.
The one Q i would ask though, is if one of the other parties was in, you know maybe the one most of you support, would you all be so forthcoming with shedding light on it - I’m not convinced.
Well said, Badger posts with his beliefs which are naturally distorted to the way he feels about the Tories and Thatcher in particular.
No way did she deliberately go out to destroy the county, we were virtually bankrupt when she came to power, and most of the things badger lists got us out of the **** at the time. Even allowing council houses had many advantages. I would be fearful of our country over the following years had she not done some of these things. I appreciate it may have been difficult for some people and communities, but are they not better for it now?
I mean take the miners - if we had left those open and carried on as before, then Greta comes along and they all have to shut for another reason - what would the mood be now?