Lib Dem’s are doing similar, which is really a massive own goal as their greatest asset is their anti-Brexit stance. Labour are somewhat more compromised with a large number of pro Brexit voters in their target areas, I can only assume they are stepping back to let the Conservatives take the full flack by not engaging on the issue at all.
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Lib Dem’s are doing similar, which is really a massive own goal as their greatest asset is their anti-Brexit stance. Labour are somewhat more compromised with a large number of pro Brexit voters in their target areas, I can only assume they are stepping back to let the Conservatives take the full flack by not engaging on the issue at all.
Brexit is happening. I don’t like it, but I don’t see anything to be gained from refusing to accept the inevitable. And Keir Starmer is completely right not to waste energy fighting the wrong battles.
But Corbyn followed the example of the Red Wall voters and supported Brexit by not opposing it. Starmer made his personal position very clear throughout, but sadly it wasn’t the official Labour Party view. In that respect Labour are almost as much to blame for Brexit as the Tories and Farage.
I do agree that Starmer has to bring Labour as a whole round to being a Rejoin party in time for the reality of a no deal/crap deal Brexit to become apparent next year.
I saw this rumour earlier, with the local airport claiming that Johnson flew in on 11th September, at 2pm. His Russian mate, Evgeny Lebedev has a place there.
Perhaps he was having an eye test, but trying to get one up on Scummings.
Perhaps he was having an eye test, but trying to get one up on Scummings.
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quick and accurate summary of where we are at the moment. I stole it from somewhere
Brexit Trade Talks:
UK: We don't like our deal
EU: Why not?
UK: We only get 95% of what we want
EU: It only gives us 95% too. That's how negotiating goes
UK: We want a new deal that gives us everything we can think of
EU: But you signed a deal
UK: Don't care, we hate you
EU: Bit rude
UK: We elected people to go to your meetings specifically to say we hate you
EU: And how is Nigel?
UK: Not happy?
EU: Why not?
UK: TV has dried up. So we want a new deal, and we want the deal in 3 weeks, or we cancel our existing deal
EU: Wait, what?
UK: You heard. Give us 100% of what we want in 3 weeks, or we break the law and walk away with 0% of what we want
EU: Er suits us!
UK: Wait, what?
EU: Perfect. Do it. Walk away. Take Nigel with you.
UK: No, hold on, wait: you have to negotiate, so Boris can win
EU: Why? Right now you have 95% of perfect, and we have 95% of perfect. If we renegotiate, you get more but we get less
UK: That's right
EU: But if we don't negotiate, we still have our 95%
UK: Woah, hold on
EU: And you have nothing
UK: But Dom didn't superpredict you'd say that!
EU: And if we don't have a deal, we don't have to put up with you **** on our lawn
UK: The Daily Mail made us do it and then ran away!
EU: I just found this spine. Is it yours?
UK: Welp!
EU: So we'll just sit this one out
UK: Fine, we'll go and make a great deal with the US
---
US: Yo suckers
UK: We are here to get a lovely big trade deal
US: Sure thing. Obey existing deals, and give us 100% of everything, plus 51% controlling share in the NHS, and you get, let's see, 60% of what you have now
UK: Not good enough, we have a Special Relationship
US: Bye
UK: What?
US: Bye. Talks are over, the Special Relationship is over, your country is over. Bye
UK: But we haven't got a deal, and we told everyone it would be easy!
US: It is easy: we are 26% of world trade, making deals with EU (20%) and China (17%). We don't need your 1.8%. No deal: easy
UK: But we really need a deal, the EU outsmarted us
US: We know. Some of us can read. Not Trump, obviously, but the rest of us. Try India
---
UK: Hi India, remember us?
India: Oh ****, these guys again
UK: We want a trade deal
India: And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK
UK: We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist
India: That is brand new information!!
UK: So can we have a deal?
India: Sure, fine. Join the queue
UK: Who's in front of us in the queue?
India: EU, USA, China, Brazil, Korea, Canada, Australia basically everybody. We're kind of a big deal now.
UK: So you'll be ready to negotiate in, what: 3 weeks?
India: Ha ha ha ha ha
UK: What did we say?
India: 3 weeks? Try 3 years. This **** takes ages, bro
UK: But we had a timetable of 3 weeks with the EU
India: And how did that work out?
UK: Erm
India: Try Brazil
---
UK: Hi Brazil
Brazil: We ArE oN FiRe!!
UK: Maybe we can trade you some fire engines?
Brazil: We LiKe bEiNg oN FiRe, iT's OuR tHiNg NoW!!!
UK: Shall we try New Zealand?
Brazil: I aM So DrUnK!!
UK: Yeah, let's try New Zealand
---
UK: Hi, New Zealand
NZ: Hi, Crazy Uncle
UK: We'd like to sell you some lamb
NZ: Sorry, it's very noisy here, cos we still have a working economy. Did you say you want to sell us some lamb?
UK: Yes
NZ: Hold the line, gotta tell Australia this, they'll **** themselves
---
UK: Hi Australia, wanna trade stuff?
Aus: We wanna offload Rolf Harris and our worst ever PM. What can you give us for them?
UK: We've already got them
Aus: That was easy! So what can you trade?
UK: We can send you some racists
Aus: I think we're sorted. Try Russia
---
UK: Hi Russia, we have loads of lovely things we think you'd love to own
Russia: We already own them
UK: You don't own Boris
Russia: True. We rent him by the hour. £160k for a tennis match
UK: We really need a trade deal
Russia: We know. We made you need one. Try China
---
UK: Can we please have a trade deal?
China: And you are...?
UK: We're Great Britain
China: Great, you say?
UK: Well once
China: It's not ringing any bells. Do you have another name?
UK: United Kingdom
China: United, you say?
UK: Alright, smart arse
China: So you want a trade deal?
UK: Yes, but first we demand you obey international law
China: What happened to your deal with the EU?
UK: We broke international law
China: Have you been drinking moonshine with Brazil again?
UK: We're very tired.
China: Why did you leave the EU?
UK: We couldn't deal with foreigners telling us what to do
China: What do you want?
UK: A deal
China: With who?
UK: Foreigners
China: And why can't you get one?
UK: Cos we don't know what to do
China: Were you dropped as a child?
UK: We just want a trade deal worthy of our status
China: You've got one
UK: No we haven't
China: Yes you have
UK: Why won't anybody take us seriously?
China: Would you like to buy a mirror?
UK: Finally, a deal!
China: You had a deal worthy of your status, with the EU. You don't need to renegotiate deals: you need to reassess your status. You're not a mighty nation, you're a small, wet, heavily indebted island on the edge of a globally important trade bloc, which you just left, you tit
UK: So, what do you suggest?
China: Aw, mate. You already know
---
EU: Hi there! Here to rejoin?
UK: Yes, and on the same terms as before
EU: Oh, I don't think so. Say goodbye to your rebate, hello to the Euro, and bonjour to the Schengen area. Welcommen!
UK: We hate you
Brexit Trade Talks:
UK: We don't like our deal
EU: Why not?
UK: We only get 95% of what we want
EU: It only gives us 95% too. That's how negotiating goes
UK: We want a new deal that gives us everything we can think of
EU: But you signed a deal
UK: Don't care, we hate you
EU: Bit rude
UK: We elected people to go to your meetings specifically to say we hate you
EU: And how is Nigel?
UK: Not happy?
EU: Why not?
UK: TV has dried up. So we want a new deal, and we want the deal in 3 weeks, or we cancel our existing deal
EU: Wait, what?
UK: You heard. Give us 100% of what we want in 3 weeks, or we break the law and walk away with 0% of what we want
EU: Er suits us!
UK: Wait, what?
EU: Perfect. Do it. Walk away. Take Nigel with you.
UK: No, hold on, wait: you have to negotiate, so Boris can win
EU: Why? Right now you have 95% of perfect, and we have 95% of perfect. If we renegotiate, you get more but we get less
UK: That's right
EU: But if we don't negotiate, we still have our 95%
UK: Woah, hold on
EU: And you have nothing
UK: But Dom didn't superpredict you'd say that!
EU: And if we don't have a deal, we don't have to put up with you **** on our lawn
UK: The Daily Mail made us do it and then ran away!
EU: I just found this spine. Is it yours?
UK: Welp!
EU: So we'll just sit this one out
UK: Fine, we'll go and make a great deal with the US
---
US: Yo suckers
UK: We are here to get a lovely big trade deal
US: Sure thing. Obey existing deals, and give us 100% of everything, plus 51% controlling share in the NHS, and you get, let's see, 60% of what you have now
UK: Not good enough, we have a Special Relationship
US: Bye
UK: What?
US: Bye. Talks are over, the Special Relationship is over, your country is over. Bye
UK: But we haven't got a deal, and we told everyone it would be easy!
US: It is easy: we are 26% of world trade, making deals with EU (20%) and China (17%). We don't need your 1.8%. No deal: easy
UK: But we really need a deal, the EU outsmarted us
US: We know. Some of us can read. Not Trump, obviously, but the rest of us. Try India
---
UK: Hi India, remember us?
India: Oh ****, these guys again
UK: We want a trade deal
India: And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK
UK: We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist
India: That is brand new information!!
UK: So can we have a deal?
India: Sure, fine. Join the queue
UK: Who's in front of us in the queue?
India: EU, USA, China, Brazil, Korea, Canada, Australia basically everybody. We're kind of a big deal now.
UK: So you'll be ready to negotiate in, what: 3 weeks?
India: Ha ha ha ha ha
UK: What did we say?
India: 3 weeks? Try 3 years. This **** takes ages, bro
UK: But we had a timetable of 3 weeks with the EU
India: And how did that work out?
UK: Erm
India: Try Brazil
---
UK: Hi Brazil
Brazil: We ArE oN FiRe!!
UK: Maybe we can trade you some fire engines?
Brazil: We LiKe bEiNg oN FiRe, iT's OuR tHiNg NoW!!!
UK: Shall we try New Zealand?
Brazil: I aM So DrUnK!!
UK: Yeah, let's try New Zealand
---
UK: Hi, New Zealand
NZ: Hi, Crazy Uncle
UK: We'd like to sell you some lamb
NZ: Sorry, it's very noisy here, cos we still have a working economy. Did you say you want to sell us some lamb?
UK: Yes
NZ: Hold the line, gotta tell Australia this, they'll **** themselves
---
UK: Hi Australia, wanna trade stuff?
Aus: We wanna offload Rolf Harris and our worst ever PM. What can you give us for them?
UK: We've already got them
Aus: That was easy! So what can you trade?
UK: We can send you some racists
Aus: I think we're sorted. Try Russia
---
UK: Hi Russia, we have loads of lovely things we think you'd love to own
Russia: We already own them
UK: You don't own Boris
Russia: True. We rent him by the hour. £160k for a tennis match
UK: We really need a trade deal
Russia: We know. We made you need one. Try China
---
UK: Can we please have a trade deal?
China: And you are...?
UK: We're Great Britain
China: Great, you say?
UK: Well once
China: It's not ringing any bells. Do you have another name?
UK: United Kingdom
China: United, you say?
UK: Alright, smart arse
China: So you want a trade deal?
UK: Yes, but first we demand you obey international law
China: What happened to your deal with the EU?
UK: We broke international law
China: Have you been drinking moonshine with Brazil again?
UK: We're very tired.
China: Why did you leave the EU?
UK: We couldn't deal with foreigners telling us what to do
China: What do you want?
UK: A deal
China: With who?
UK: Foreigners
China: And why can't you get one?
UK: Cos we don't know what to do
China: Were you dropped as a child?
UK: We just want a trade deal worthy of our status
China: You've got one
UK: No we haven't
China: Yes you have
UK: Why won't anybody take us seriously?
China: Would you like to buy a mirror?
UK: Finally, a deal!
China: You had a deal worthy of your status, with the EU. You don't need to renegotiate deals: you need to reassess your status. You're not a mighty nation, you're a small, wet, heavily indebted island on the edge of a globally important trade bloc, which you just left, you tit
UK: So, what do you suggest?
China: Aw, mate. You already know
---
EU: Hi there! Here to rejoin?
UK: Yes, and on the same terms as before
EU: Oh, I don't think so. Say goodbye to your rebate, hello to the Euro, and bonjour to the Schengen area. Welcommen!
UK: We hate you
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I dislike Johnson with an intensity you cannot imagine and I am no Monarchist so why don't I like this image?
I think that its because no woman I know speaks like that.
I think she might have said " Do you think that one day you might get something right? You would be better of listening to Nicola than buffoon you keep in a dark cupboard at number 10".
I dislike Johnson with an intensity you cannot imagine and I am no Monarchist so why don't I like this image?
I think that its because no woman I know speaks like that.
I think she might have said " Do you think that one day you might get something right? You would be better of listening to Nicola than that dreadful man you keep in a dark cupboard at number 10".
Queenie needs to look out. He is slowly destroying all aspects of our democracy and the monarchy is somewhere on his and Demonic Cummings "let's get this done" list.
I typed "arsehole" into my search engine and it came back with this image:
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I thought Keir Starmer's speech was fantastic, and exactly what the country needs.
He appears to be the leader we have been crying out for. Hopefully they can come up with a manifesto as credible as he is.
He appears to be the leader we have been crying out for. Hopefully they can come up with a manifesto as credible as he is.
It may be quite possible it could be far easier to give rousing speeches with no real responsibility. Much different doing this in situ, if you like. You dont any ability to be proven for starters, no one at this stage on the red team can say this is my idea, and it works.
I think they are all a bit **** really, and some of you on this thread appear to be like the rats led by the Pied Piper of Hamelin.
I think they are all a bit **** really, and some of you on this thread appear to be like the rats led by the Pied Piper of Hamelin.
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"The rats led by the Pied Piper of Hamelin". Perfect description of those that sucked up the brexit propaganda for the referendum so well presented by the Led by Donkeys poster campaign. https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author.
Silly me Badger - i got confused thinking this was a forum to debate. Next time i will just go along with the majority view and think what everyone else wants me to think
Exactly, there are always different ways of looking at things, that all fit our perspective. Good for you
Silly me Badger - i got confused thinking this was a forum to debate. Next time i will just go along with the majority view and think what everyone else wants me to think
Debate is fine, but comparing people to rats, just to get a response is a little bit childish in my opinion.