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Beddytare said:
How the hell would I know I was just asking a question. Surely there has to be a way. Through our courts maybe I don’t know.......anyone know?
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Well the Supreme Court found him guilty of lying to the Queen, and his sentence was to be re-elected with a majority of 80 for 5 years. I’d say he was pretty fireproof, wouldn’t you?
 
Beddytare said:
All true mate but some do get carried away..........I will fight for anyones right to an opinion and express it....but some personalise their differences that is not right. We all know this will affect a lot of people differently. Sadly the tories have got the margin they craved for. What happens now is anyones guess.
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Let's hope for some good old in-fighting within the cabinet.and someone tell the fat pig to do one!!!
 
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Javid rumoured to be in pole position to get the bum's rush. I must admit he is pretty unimpressive. But then so are so many others
 
Ian Thumwood said:
-It was staggered by the magnitude of the Conservative result as I was convinced that the polls had under-represented the Labour vote. Time and time again since Thursday I am hearing people (including former Labour voters) state that they could not stand Corbyn. Listening to Radio 4 on Monday, a comment was made in an interview that the BBC had been biased against Corbyn which merely exacerbated the negative portrayal in the printed press. I think that not electing Corbyn is a national tragedy and the population has missed the boat in implementing some urgently needed and radical reforms. From the start, Kuenssberg has been very hostile towards Jeremy Corbyn and I just felt that the tone of the BBC was very much that Boris could not be trusted yet Labour had no credibility. In my opinion. the BBC has been a mouthpiece for "neo-liberals"for a long while yet the centrist ground held by the Lib Dems proved to be an absolute disaster. I have been staggered at how poorly they performed.

It is very difficult for me to understand what has happened with the Labour vote. You would have had to have been ignorant not to have rooted for what was contained within the Labour manifesto. It was the best manifesto I can ever recall yet there was a perception that what was on offer was not credible. For many people, Corbyn was stupidly seen as being a terrorist sympathiser and anti-semantic yet no one ever commented why the Labour party had room for an organisation like "Labour Friends of Israel." For me, the anti-semantic criticism was a non-issue conjured up by a media desperate to discredit Corbyn's credentials and , for all the attention in the press, I have only heard one person say that this was an issue for them. Fellow Labour MP like Margaret Hodge should be kicked out of the party as they have contributed to this defeat with their constant harping. It disgusted me that she seemed to put her own interests before that of the country and she should be deselected as quickly as it possible. I see the problem being that the Brexit issue underlined problems with Nationalism that had not been helped by an intransigent EU that did not once consider what it needed to do to ensure that the British population's perception of it could be improved. For me, this issue was outside the control of Labour.

Criticism of Jeremy Corbyn is totally unjust. He effectively gave the Labour Party it's soul back and rather than being vilified, this is a gentleman that should be applauded for what he was trying to do. During the campaign the most credible of all the politicians was John Mc Donnell yet no one seemed to listen to what he was saying. He was the voice of reason throughout the campaign.

Once Brexit has been completed, I am in no doubt that the tide will rapidly turn against the Tories. The next election will yield a similar majority but this time for the Labour Party as people will experience the impact of Brexit and the constituencies in the North suffer the full blow. For this reason, I think the tack of the party should not be changed. Some of the proposed candidates like the obnoxious Thornberry and centrist Starmer are not the solution and I think that RLB is exactly the kind of tonic that is needed.
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Ian,
I'm not surprised you have been staggered by the magnitude of the Conservative victory. You predicted a Labour majority contrary to what everyone else was saying. Even the Corbyn fans on this board accepted that the best they could hope for was a hung parliament, it was obvious to most people you were being unrealistic.

This was the time for Labour to regain power after nine years, but they blew their golden opportunity because Momentum and McCluskey chose the wrong candidate. That's the direction to which you should be aiming your anger, I'm confident we would have a Labour government now if they weren't so misguided.
That a Conservative party led by Boris Johnson wasn't crushed is an embarrassment for Labour.
Corbyn was very unpopular, but it wasn't because of BBC bias or a smear campaign. It wasn't because of people being ignorant or stupid as you pompously said. It may come as a shock to you Ian, but people can form opinions from a number of different sources.
His prevarication on Brexit didn't help the cause at all, the potential Labour voters didn't confidently know the party's position.
The comments about antisemitism being a non-issue don't really stack up https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/16/louise-ellman-quits-labour-party-over-antisemitism. Also how many party members left during Corbyn's time? https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/...rs-a-day-according-to-latest-figures-1.487330
Your dismissal of the "terrorist sympathiser" accusations as stupid is typical of the attitude that many of his backers took before the election. Many people have long memories, they remember terrorist attacks in the UK and Corbyn's (and McDonnell's) stance on them. There is also plenty of information available to research. Disregard their views if you wish but it was mentioned to Labour campaigners time and time again.
You've made some cracking comments in your post Ian but this one nearly made me laugh out loud "During the campaign the most credible of all the politicians was John Mc Donnell". This "credible" politician was also a terrorist sympathiser. His comments "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA" were later apologised for when he was threatened with expulsion from the Labour Party.
Your latest prediction is that the next election will yield a majority for the Labour Party, but then you go on to say that the tack of the party shouldn't change. In other words "same again" and quite likely with the same result.
Maybe a party split into two would be the right direction for Labour. A far left group run by Momentum that lives off a belief that they are on the moral high ground but never gets elected or a left of centre group that has a credible leader with a broader appeal and gets to govern now and again.
 
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Matt Hancock, Secretary of State for Selling the NHS, said on live TV today:


“Every year at the moment, around 27,000 nurses leave the NHS. I want to reduce that number. Even if we didn’t have any new nurses, just by reducing the number who leave, you would end up with more nurses in the NHS. That contributes. That retention of existing nurses contributes to increasing the number of nurses in the NHS and that’s very important.

Also, we’re going to have new nurses and the combination of increasing retention, which means fewer nurses leaving and having more new nurses, including with our bursary today. So if you’re watching and you want to become a nurse and don’t think at the moment you’ve got the financial resources to do it, we are putting in place that extra support, on top of all the existing support.

The combination of reducing the number of nurses leaving and having new nurses coming through – that leads to an increase in the total number of nurses in the NHS, which is what matters from my point of view running the NHS and from a patient’s view for ensuring that there is patient care and that there are enough nurses on the ward.”

So that clears that up then.
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
Matt Hancock, Secretary of State for Selling the NHS, said on live TV today:


“Every year at the moment, around 27,000 nurses leave the NHS. I want to reduce that number. Even if we didn’t have any new nurses, just by reducing the number who leave, you would end up with more nurses in the NHS. That contributes. That retention of existing nurses contributes to increasing the number of nurses in the NHS and that’s very important.

Also, we’re going to have new nurses and the combination of increasing retention, which means fewer nurses leaving and having more new nurses, including with our bursary today. So if you’re watching and you want to become a nurse and don’t think at the moment you’ve got the financial resources to do it, we are putting in place that extra support, on top of all the existing support.

The combination of reducing the number of nurses leaving and having new nurses coming through – that leads to an increase in the total number of nurses in the NHS, which is what matters from my point of view running the NHS and from a patient’s view for ensuring that there is patient care and that there are enough nurses on the ward.”

So that clears that up then.
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Yep. Because if I give you a tenner, then I decide not to take it back, you have twenty quid.

Didnt you realise? [HASHTAG]#ToryMaths[/HASHTAG]
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
Matt Hancock, Secretary of State for Selling the NHS, said on live TV today:


“Every year at the moment, around 27,000 nurses leave the NHS. I want to reduce that number. Even if we didn’t have any new nurses, just by reducing the number who leave, you would end up with more nurses in the NHS. That contributes. That retention of existing nurses contributes to increasing the number of nurses in the NHS and that’s very important.

Also, we’re going to have new nurses and the combination of increasing retention, which means fewer nurses leaving and having more new nurses, including with our bursary today. So if you’re watching and you want to become a nurse and don’t think at the moment you’ve got the financial resources to do it, we are putting in place that extra support, on top of all the existing support.

The combination of reducing the number of nurses leaving and having new nurses coming through – that leads to an increase in the total number of nurses in the NHS, which is what matters from my point of view running the NHS and from a patient’s view for ensuring that there is patient care and that there are enough nurses on the ward.”

So that clears that up then.
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This is ****ing embarrassing. ****ing shambles of a government, run by ****ing simpletons who have so little respect for the voting public that their standard go-to approach is lie. And when they aren't lying they are making straw men, throwing insults, passing the buck or being general **** bags.

Just say: we can't actually be ****ed to spend any more on the
NHS because it is for poor people and we personally don't need it.

At least that would be one honest thing.
 
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Osvaldorama said:
Yep. Because if I give you a tenner, then I decide not to take it back, you have twenty quid.

Didnt you realise? [HASHTAG]#ToryMaths[/HASHTAG]
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Someone else said: If I decide not to have one of my testicles removed, that must mean I now have 3 testicles, or is that a load of bollocks?
 
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