Off Topic Politics Thread

[Beddy]

Read through this and perhaps you might consider that Brexit WILL have a direct impact on SOME very important and life saving/extending medications, and as such should be a reason for reconsideration or delaying until we are self proficient.
As indicated below, even delays in receiving these can render them ineffective.



Medical Radioisotopes
Medical radioisotopes are elements used to diagnose or treat a broad range of conditions. These include many cancers, endocrine and neurological diseases, palliative treatments and cardiovascular imaging. Approximately one million UK patients each year rely on radioisotope procedures. The UK is not self-sufficient in these materials, importing around 80% of the medical radioisotopes we use. Most of these come from the Netherlands, Belgium, and France.

Unlike many medicines, radioactive isotopes cannot be stockpiled. As soon as they are produced they begin to decay. The longer the delay, the smaller the dose of useful isotope that remains.



Delays
The most common radioisotope used in healthcare is Technetium-99m (99mTc). This extremely useful element has a half-life of just six hours, and so is transported to hospitals and radiopharmacies in the form of ‘technetium-99m generators’. These devices contain the decaying parent element, molybdenum-99 (99Mo) which has a half-life of sixty-six hours. As the UK has no research reactors capable of producing 99Mo, the element is imported via an efficient and reliable system.

Once a generator is produced at a reactor source, the product immediately starts to lose effectiveness in terms of useful doses, and so timely transport to UK hospitals is essential. Delays can disrupt the delicate, time-sensitive supply chain, and may result in increased costs, cancelled procedures, and a reduction in the numbers hospitals are able to treat. The process is so time-sensitive that even now and without border complications a delivery held up by delays en route can lead to appointment cancellations.

Totally agree the planning side has left a lot to be desired.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Should point out perhaps we haven’t left yet..........I don’t know why you feel you know better than I about the shortages....... As my info comes from a horses mouth so to speak. We will just have to agree to disagree.

I was talking about insulin, which was the subject of the original post I believe. I may not have inside knowledge of the pharmaceutical industry that you do, but I know I have never had to wait for my monthly insulin supplies. Let’s hope we never have to find out what the effects of leaving are!

On that, the tide is turning in favour of a People’s Vote. Here’s a letter from Antoinette Sandbach, a Tory MP, to her constituents:

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[Beddy]

I was talking about insulin, which was the subject of the original post I believe. I may not have inside knowledge of the pharmaceutical industry that you do, but I know I have never had to wait for my monthly insulin supplies. Let’s hope we never have to find out what the effects of leaving are!

On that, the tide is turning in favour of a People’s Vote. Here’s a letter from Antoinette Sandbach, a Tory MP, to her constituents:

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Fair enough...........my knowledge is only based on what my wife’s friends say that are still at Pfizer. I know one of the medications they make is the menopausal one. Which for them is causing problems because of demand. Although that started because of difficulty in getting some ingredients what I don’t know. My understanding is they make 4/5 different medicines with difficulty with two of them. I truly don’t know anything about insulin.

 

[AberdeenSaint]

I was talking about insulin, which was the subject of the original post I believe. I may not have inside knowledge of the pharmaceutical industry that you do, but I know I have never had to wait for my monthly insulin supplies. Let’s hope we never have to find out what the effects of leaving are!

On that, the tide is turning in favour of a People’s Vote. Here’s a letter from Antoinette Sandbach, a Tory MP, to her constituents:

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Good for her - pity she didn`t come out ages ago, like Anna Soubry however.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Fair enough...........my knowledge is only based on what my wife’s friends say that are still at Pfizer. I know one of the medications they make is the menopausal one. Which for them is causing problems because of demand. Although that started because of difficulty in getting some ingredients what I don’t know. My understanding is they make 4/5 different medicines with difficulty with two of them. I truly don’t know anything about insulin.

The vast majority of insulin prescribed in the UK is made by either Sanofi in Germany, or Novo Nordisk in Denmark. We don’t produce any insulin in the UK.
Last year, while Theresa May, who suffers from Type 1 Diabetes, was Prime Minister, Sir Michael Rawlins, Chair of the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, who probably knows a little bit more than either of us, said to the Pharmaceutical Journal:
“We make no insulin in the UK. We import every drop of it. You can’t transport insulin around ordinarily because it must be temperature-controlled. And there are 3.5 million people [with diabetes, some of whom] rely on insulin, not least the Prime Minister.”

If we leave with no trading arrangements with the EU, please explain how we will obtain these vital products.

 

[San Tejón]

Fair enough...........my knowledge is only based on what my wife’s friends say that are still at Pfizer. I know one of the medications they make is the menopausal one. Which for them is causing problems because of demand. Although that started because of difficulty in getting some ingredients what I don’t know. My understanding is they make 4/5 different medicines with difficulty with two of them. I truly don’t know anything about insulin.

Simple question, but are Pfizer subject to Non Disclosure Agreements, to protect any contract (if they have any) with the government?
Or are they, perhaps, singing from a hymn sheet provided by the government?
The only reason I ask is because my wife’s oncologist, at one time, said that there were plans in place to protect and ensure medical supplies that were relevant to her treatment.
What he said was almost word for word what was later exposed, by the NHS, as a prompt sheet provided by the government, to avert closer scrutiny to the truth.

 

[Beddy]

The vast majority of insulin prescribed in the UK is made by either Sanofi in Germany, or Novo Nordisk in Denmark. We don’t produce any insulin in the UK.
Last year, while Theresa May, who suffers from Type 1 Diabetes, was Prime Minister, Sir Michael Rawlins, Chair of the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, who probably knows a little bit more than either of us, said to the Pharmaceutical Journal:
“We make no insulin in the UK. We import every drop of it. You can’t transport insulin around ordinarily because it must be temperature-controlled. And there are 3.5 million people [with diabetes, some of whom] rely on insulin, not least the Prime Minister.”

If we leave with no trading arrangements with the EU, please explain how we will obtain these vital products.

Strewth man I can’t............but that doesnt mean that we won’t be able to obtain insulin. I understand there are other sources available to us. However I don’t know whom or where the suppliers will be from. Pfizer Canada perhaps-(commonwealth country)or the US

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Strewth man I can’t............but that doesnt mean that we won’t be able to obtain insulin. I understand there are other sources available to us. However I don’t know whom or where the suppliers will be from. Pfizer Canada perhaps-(commonwealth country)or the US

So you are saying that almost half a million people in the UK who inject insulin several times daily will have to hope we can form a trade deal with the US in the first few days after a no-deal Brexit, and then get an appointment with their Consultant, and have a managed transfer to a completely different type of insulin.
By the way, Canada has a trade deal with the EU, but not with the UK.
Dreamland Beddy.

 

[thereisonlyoneno7]

Fail to plan, plan to fail.

 

[Beddy]

So you are saying that almost half a million people in the UK who inject insulin several times daily will have to hope we can form a trade deal with the US in the first few days after a no-deal Brexit, and then get an appointment with their Consultant, and have a managed transfer to a completely different type of insulin.
By the way, Canada has a trade deal with the EU, but not with the UK.
Dreamland Beddy.

Of course I’m not..... I can also understand the need for insulin the same as many other medications. Some of which are just as important.......The difference between us seems to be that your are yelping before your hurt whereas I’m of the opinion things will be better than you imagine. Not always granted but you cannot accurately say that we will not be able to get the medication you need at this point in time.

 

[Osvaldorama]

Of course I’m not..... I can also understand the need for insulin the same as many other medications. Some of which are just as important.......The difference between us seems to be that your are yelping before your hurt whereas I’m of the opinion things will be better than you imagine. Not always granted but you cannot accurately say that we will not be able to get the medication you need at this point in time.

What are you basing your opinion that things will be good on?

Other than sheer faith?

 

[SaintinSerbia]

Of course I’m not..... I can also understand the need for insulin the same as many other medications. Some of which are just as important.......The difference between us seems to be that your are yelping before your hurt whereas I’m of the opinion things will be better than you imagine. Not always granted but you cannot accurately say that we will not be able to get the medication you need at this point in time.

Beddytare "plays the percentage"
Definition: To make a decision or choose an action thought to have the likeliest chance of success based on data or past experience
It does not mean "I’m of the opinion things will be better than you imagine"

P.S. yes I am an annoying twat

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Of course I’m not..... I can also understand the need for insulin the same as many other medications. Some of which are just as important.......The difference between us seems to be that your are yelping before your hurt whereas I’m of the opinion things will be better than you imagine. Not always granted but you cannot accurately say that we will not be able to get the medication you need at this point in time.

Like I said, dreamland. You just feel things will be OK, whereas all the evidence, including the government’s own published data, says the opposite. Hey ho...

 

[SaintinSerbia]

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[Beef]

I have been told by my doc that my meds maybe in short supply due to how popular they are if there is a no deal. People can keep on saying "but there is a shortage now" all they want, no deal will make it far far worse.

 

[shoot_spiderman]

Strewth man I can’t............but that doesnt mean that we won’t be able to obtain insulin. I understand there are other sources available to us. However I don’t know whom or where the suppliers will be from. Pfizer Canada perhaps-(commonwealth country)or the US

So, on the one hand we have a bunch of guys on here who are basing their opinions on their research and reference to expert opinion
And on the other hand we have you, Beddy, who bases your opinion on blind-optimism and guesswork
Hmmm, as an optimist, I'm split

There are other sources of everything imaginable but the whole point here is you can only get them with a trade agreement with the source nation and we will be throwing those all away very shortly with the support of a large number of underinformed, but blindly-optimistic people

If we fail to get some of the vital trade agreements in place in time, then how many deaths are we saying is acceptable just so we get our Brexit?
Or are we HOPING there won't be any?

Come on England, you can do it !!!

 

[SaintinSerbia]

About a million I'd say. Mostly old people, so the pressure on the UK pension fund is eased. Of course that will reduce the Tory vote even further so they'll also lose the 2024 election. BUT, they will have 8 years banging on about how they reduced the burden to the Tax payer and will be able to quote how many people died under Labour. They will then re-apply to join the EU because of Labour's disastrous handling of post Brexit. Win win all round.

 

[SaintinSerbia]

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[St. Luigi Scrosoppi]

About a million I'd say. Mostly old people, so the pressure on the UK pension fund is eased. Of course that will reduce the Tory vote even further so they'll also lose the 2024 election. BUT, they will have 8 years banging on about how they reduced the burden to the Tax payer and will be able to quote how many people died under Labour. They will then re-apply to join the EU because of Labour's disastrous handling of post Brexit. Win win all round.

Remember that many a true word is spoken in jest. The bunch of callous conniving bastards that are pushing Brexit through do not care one jot about who will get hurt or die that is just collateral damage as they achieve their aim.

Brexit really is doing my head in. I cannot believe that we think that it is for the good of the people and the economy. It is all sheer stupidity.

 

[AberdeenSaint]

So, on the one hand we have a bunch of guys on here who are basing their opinions on their research and reference to expert opinion
And on the other hand we have you, Beddy, who bases your opinion on blind-optimism and guesswork
Hmmm, as an optimist, I'm split

There are other sources of everything imaginable but the whole point here is you can only get them with a trade agreement with the source nation and we will be throwing those all away very shortly with the support of a large number of underinformed, but blindly-optimistic people

If we fail to get some of the vital trade agreements in place in time, then how many deaths are we saying is acceptable just so we get our Brexit?
Or are we HOPING there won't be any?

Come on England, you can do it !!!

Not sure if I`m glad or not that you didn`t include Scotland, Wales and NI.