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garysfc
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Self indulgent twats, the lot of them & to a degree; us. The vote, the people, decided & parliament procrastinate, hoping to change. If we allow a reversal, we’re a down the pipe for all future decision. Vote Johnson out? No don’t agree, let’s retry. Vote Corbyn in? No, don’t agree, let’s retry. Scotland out? Oh, that’s been done but let’s try again? We certainly shouldn’t have been given the vote (without pre stipulates but we weren’t; so there you have it). WE, voted to leave.
You voted to leave. I didn't.
[Just giving you as much detailed info as you obviously require].
Leave won after an illegally fraudulent campaign. Brexit has no credibility and has to be scrapped.
Boris Johnson shuts down parliament having failed to win a single vote as Prime Minister.
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Note two-thirds of MPs. Not a simple majority. Important changes ought to have such majorities.
In 1975, the public referendum to remain or leave the European Community [note: which was not legally binding] was 67.23 - 32.77%.
17,378,581 votes were in favour and 8,470,073 were against. So over two-thirds of those who voted [only 64% of the electorate, sadly] voted Remain.
Personally, on people's referendums, I would make it compulsory to vote, even if the voting paper was merely spoilt. That way, at least we could honestly say that "the people have spoken". You can't just assume that non-voters would be split evenly.
John Bercow is making an extraordinary move. Black Rod has arrived in the Commons to summon them to the Lords but Bercow is telling the Commons it’s not a normal prorogation. Only the Tory and DUP MP’s are obeying the summons, all the others are staying put.
He’s just expecting Macron to polish his shoes and saving him having to bed right down. Considerate chap that Johnson
A very famous person (so famous I can’t remember their name) once said that a good MP is not there to serve the will of his people but to protect them and do what is best for them.
Or words to that affect.
Edit. These words:
“(An MP) owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion”
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garysfc
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Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.
Edmund Burke
garysfc
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Then it should be scrapped in a legal manner, in parliament; not this non-death by a thousand cuts. I just can’t see what any party will do differently, whoever gets in/elected.
Here’s one option:
Announce that there will be another vote, but set a clear rule/law on the necessary winning margin. Set out in advance if (as suggested earlier) if there will be a choice first on whether Deal no Deal needs a seoerate vote.
Here’s another:
Revoke article 50
I’m not saying they’re right or should happen. Just pointing out that there are other options for a party to take. Probably more.
On the legality of not of the original referendum and campaign, I thought a case was going to court?
garysfc
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In reply to your first point; I totally agree that’s how it should have been done first time round & Cameron was a prat for not doing but to just disregard the 1st vote & have a 2nd is asking for trouble. Parliament would be a shamble (yes I know) & Scotland will be off in a jiff (not that I really care but some do).
Is anyone here knowledgeable enough, about Greek mythology, to pick up the nuances in Varadker’s comments about Herculean task and Athena?
I’m not but here’s an explanation, which shows that he was taking the piss out of Buffoon.
AS he stood alongside Boris Johnson yesterday Leo Varadkar teased the PM with a passing classical reference.
The Irish Taoiseach warned that Mr Johnson faced a “Herculean task” in negotiating free trade deals with the EU and US after Brexit. He told the PM: “We want to be your friend and ally, your Athena, in doing so.”
Mr Johnson grinned broadly, but it cannot have passed him by that in Greek mythology, Athena intervened after Hercules went mad and killed his family, knocking him out to prevent him from doing any more damage.
I’m not but here’s an explanation, which shows that he was taking the piss out of Buffoon.
AS he stood alongside Boris Johnson yesterday Leo Varadkar teased the PM with a passing classical reference.
The Irish Taoiseach warned that Mr Johnson faced a “Herculean task” in negotiating free trade deals with the EU and US after Brexit. He told the PM: “We want to be your friend and ally, your Athena, in doing so.”
Mr Johnson grinned broadly, but it cannot have passed him by that in Greek mythology, Athena intervened after Hercules went mad and killed his family, knocking him out to prevent him from doing any more damage.