If we’re in the Single Market and the Customs Union, we haven’t really left. And my comments re Corbyn relate to the last two years on this issue. I realise I’m the only one on this site to question and differ from most others, but despite that it has at least seemed more like a discussion than a group of only like minded people. Appreciate your points if I don’t always agree.You have been watching a different House of Commons in the last 2 days from most of us if you think that. Corbyn has appeared calm, reasoned, and statesmanlike, especially compared to the sneering sarcasm of Rees-Mogg, and the waffling bluster from the Prime Member.
And May’s deal was not reasonable as it excluded us from the Single Market and the Customs Union, as well as not being strong enough on protecting the same workers’ rights as are enshrined in EU law. All of those things are contrary to Labour Party policy.
That’s what Norway have, and what many in the Leave campaign promised we would be getting. I would imagine a sizeable number of people voted Leave on that basis. It was only Theresa May’s red lines which took those options out of the Withdrawal Agreement.If we’re in the Single Market and the Customs Union, we haven’t really left. And my comments re Corbyn relate to the last two years on this issue. I realise I’m the only one on this site to question and differ from most others, but despite that it has at least seemed more like a discussion than a group of only like minded people. Appreciate your points if I don’t always agree.
How should people who wanted to customs union but not be part of the EU (I think beddy is one IIRC) have voted in the referendum then?If we’re in the Single Market and the Customs Union, we haven’t really left.
If we’re in the Single Market and the Customs Union, we haven’t really left. And my comments re Corbyn relate to the last two years on this issue. I realise I’m the only one on this site to question and differ from most others, but despite that it has at least seemed more like a discussion than a group of only like minded people. Appreciate your points if I don’t always agree.
Labour rejecting? You're bending the facts there Brinks, that was a cross party rejection including the incumbent clown. It's not that difficult, the current government is trying to force through brexit at any cost. It's being stopped by cross party bills in parliament. Soames, Clark, Hammond, Stewart et al the mainstream tories who haven't lurched right having the whip removed, how about that Brinks? Heroes or villains?Labour have not a clue what they are doing, rejected a reasonable deal 3 times, and Corbyn has been a complete disaster as a leader, some of my left of centre friends cannot believe what they are watching, much as I am with my Party!
The thing that hacks me off more than anything is the continual slagging off of “those members opposite” who voted against May’s deal, with no reference to the fact that their own Prime Member voted against it too!I too have some admiration for the Tories who voted against Johnson, but one thing still bloody well annoys me.
When the likes of Hammond is quoted as saying “It is NOW time that we put the interests of the nation before party/self interest” (I am paraphrasing) I just want to ask them “Why weren’t you putting the nation first, before now?”
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Imps, Beddy and one or two others may share your point of view.If we’re in the Single Market and the Customs Union, we haven’t really left. And my comments re Corbyn relate to the last two years on this issue. I realise I’m the only one on this site to question and differ from most others, but despite that it has at least seemed more like a discussion than a group of only like minded people. Appreciate your points if I don’t always agree.