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I find this quote from a Labour MP quite interesting.

Reports claim Mr Cummings was left prowling the Parliamentary corridors last night, shouting at the Labour leader to 'not be scared and have an election.'

Is there a more enduring image of just how much the tables have turned?”


Things not going to plan, Dominic?
 
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You have been watching a different House of Commons in the last 2 days from most of us if you think that. Corbyn has appeared calm, reasoned, and statesmanlike, especially compared to the sneering sarcasm of Rees-Mogg, and the waffling bluster from the Prime Member.

And May’s deal was not reasonable as it excluded us from the Single Market and the Customs Union, as well as not being strong enough on protecting the same workers’ rights as are enshrined in EU law. All of those things are contrary to Labour Party policy.
If we’re in the Single Market and the Customs Union, we haven’t really left. And my comments re Corbyn relate to the last two years on this issue. I realise I’m the only one on this site to question and differ from most others, but despite that it has at least seemed more like a discussion than a group of only like minded people. Appreciate your points if I don’t always agree.
 
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Benn Bill gets Second Reading by 329-300

2 more than the vote last night, so another Tory has switched sides, by the looks of it. Going into Committee stage of the whole House now, to discuss a whole raft of amendments.
 
If we’re in the Single Market and the Customs Union, we haven’t really left. And my comments re Corbyn relate to the last two years on this issue. I realise I’m the only one on this site to question and differ from most others, but despite that it has at least seemed more like a discussion than a group of only like minded people. Appreciate your points if I don’t always agree.
That’s what Norway have, and what many in the Leave campaign promised we would be getting. I would imagine a sizeable number of people voted Leave on that basis. It was only Theresa May’s red lines which took those options out of the Withdrawal Agreement.

On Corbyn, I would agree his stance on Brexit has been confusing, to say the least, and I have said many times that I won’t vote Labour until he adopts a pro-People’s Vote and pro-Remain position. The events of the last 2 days show he is at least moving in that direction.
 
Personally, I would wish Jeremy gave up the leadership and said we will back an election in a month when the new guy is put on place. Then select somebody more central and electable to lead the party.

I don't know if they would be able to force an election at that point but still.
 
If we’re in the Single Market and the Customs Union, we haven’t really left. And my comments re Corbyn relate to the last two years on this issue. I realise I’m the only one on this site to question and differ from most others, but despite that it has at least seemed more like a discussion than a group of only like minded people. Appreciate your points if I don’t always agree.

For the record, I’m not Labour and I don’t like Jeremy Corbyn. .

I hardly ever agree with most the political views posted on here outside of Brexit.

I just think Brexit is stupid and a No deal Brexit is scary as hell
 
Labour have not a clue what they are doing, rejected a reasonable deal 3 times, and Corbyn has been a complete disaster as a leader, some of my left of centre friends cannot believe what they are watching, much as I am with my Party!
Labour rejecting? You're bending the facts there Brinks, that was a cross party rejection including the incumbent clown. It's not that difficult, the current government is trying to force through brexit at any cost. It's being stopped by cross party bills in parliament. Soames, Clark, Hammond, Stewart et al the mainstream tories who haven't lurched right having the whip removed, how about that Brinks? Heroes or villains?
 
Heroes. And I say that as a lifelong Labour voter and councillor for sixteen years. These people are prepared to sacrifice their careers for the best interest of the country. There that's dad (Socialist) and Grandad ( Communist) spinning!
 
I too have some admiration for the Tories who voted against Johnson, but one thing still bloody well annoys me.
When the likes of Hammond is quoted as saying “It is NOW time that we put the interests of the nation before party/self interest” (I am paraphrasing) I just want to ask them “Why weren’t you putting the nation first, before now?”
 
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I too have some admiration for the Tories who voted against Johnson, but one thing still bloody well annoys me.
When the likes of Hammond is quoted as saying “It is NOW time that we put the interests of the nation before party/self interest” (I am paraphrasing) I just want to ask them “Why weren’t you putting the nation first, before now?”
The thing that hacks me off more than anything is the continual slagging off of “those members opposite” who voted against May’s deal, with no reference to the fact that their own Prime Member voted against it too!
 
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If we’re in the Single Market and the Customs Union, we haven’t really left. And my comments re Corbyn relate to the last two years on this issue. I realise I’m the only one on this site to question and differ from most others, but despite that it has at least seemed more like a discussion than a group of only like minded people. Appreciate your points if I don’t always agree.
Imps, Beddy and one or two others may share your point of view.