Off Topic Politics Thread

[VocalMinority]

I'm confused by labour's policy and events. They're saying they wont vote in favour of an election until a Brexit day delay is ensured which is fair enough. But both bills are today, right?

Does that mean that labour will support an election vote if it is after the delay bill? What's setting the order of things? I thought parliament had control today?

 

[ChilcoSaint]

I'm confused by labour's policy and events. They're saying they wont vote in favour of an election until a Brexit day delay is ensured which is fair enough. But both bills are today, right?

Does that mean that labour will support an election vote if it is after the delay bill? What's setting the order of things? I thought parliament had control today?

You’re right. Labour won’t support the dissolution motion until the Benn Bill is enacted into law, so it won’t be debated until then. This is the right decision, because otherwise Johnson will delay the election until after we crash out with no deal. Once the law is passed making no deal illegal, then an extension to Article 50 will have to be requested, as no other course will be open to Johnson.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Superb stuff from John Crace:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...nson-cowers-in-the-face-of-the-rebel-alliance

 

[TheSecondStain]

I have a new found respect for my MP Caroline Nokes this evening. She voted against Boris and his fascist plans.

Caroline Nokes: The Romsey MP has said her constituents would be worse off under a no-deal Brexit and their futures mattered more than her own as a Conservative MP.

That took real courage.

My goodness me, Caroline has done something which finally represents my interests. That's the first time since my MP was Alan Whitehead.

 

[The Ides of March]

Looks almost like an old Pulp album cover. Just photoshop Jarvis Cocker’s head onto Rees-Mogg’s body.[/QUOTE.

Not so sure Jarvis would like that

 

[Beddy]

Ok they voted for not leaving Europe........or at least stopping a no deal. Ok parliament now lets get the agreement of how we are staying in Europe..........Oh forgot you haven't managed to do that in 3 years............going to be an interesting few years......Think I'll emigrate..............

 

[fatletiss]

Ok they voted for not leaving Europe........or at least stopping a no deal. Ok parliament now lets get the agreement of how we are staying in Europe..........Oh forgot you haven't managed to do that in 3 years............going to be an interesting few years......Think I'll emigrate..............

Do you know what’s going on Beddy? That’s a very confusing post.

 

[TheSecondStain]

Ok they voted for not leaving Europe........or at least stopping a no deal. Ok parliament now lets get the agreement of how we are staying in Europe..........Oh forgot you haven't managed to do that in 3 years............going to be an interesting few years......Think I'll emigrate..............

Might I suggest mainland Europe?
And they could stay in the EU in a heartbeat.

 

[Beddy]

Do you know what’s going on Beddy? That’s a very confusing post.

Do you know what’s going on Beddy? That’s a very confusing post.

You just want to be rid of me.............Edit.......... twice......

 

[thereisonlyoneno7]

I don’t know what freedoms you lot are on about. Isn’t Brexit about getting our country and freedom back.....

 

[StJabbo1]

I don’t know what freedoms you lot are on about. Isn’t Brexit about getting our country and freedom back.....

whoops wrong thread.. or not

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Freedom come
Freedom go
Tell me yes
And then she tells me no
Freedom never stay long
Freedom moving along
Freedom want
Freedom stay
Freedom love
And then she flies away
Freedom never stay long
Freedom moving along
Daddy is a doctor
Mother is a debutante
Pillars of society
Living in a mansion
Somewhere in the country
And another in Chelsea
Freedom is a rich girl
Daddie's little sweet girl
Pretty as a sunny day
Freedom never does do what
She doesn't want
To freedom never has to pay
Freedom come
Freedom is her name
And freedom is her nature
Running all around the town
Ev'rybody wants to
And ev'rybody tries to
But nobody can hold her down
Freedom is so kind
And freedom is so gentle
Freedom is a happy day
Freedom what would you do
If I say love you
Freedom would you
Run away
Freedom come
Da da da da da da (freedom)
Da da da da da (freedom)
Da da da da da da da
Moving along
Da la la la la la
Moving right on along
Da da da

 

[StJabbo1]

Boris Johnson certainly has his short Cummings

 

[Che’s Godlike Thighs]

Ok they voted for not leaving Europe........or at least stopping a no deal. Ok parliament now lets get the agreement of how we are staying in Europe..........Oh forgot you haven't managed to do that in 3 years............going to be an interesting few years......Think I'll emigrate..............

Has been great for me. Eleven years and counting...

 

[Brinkworth Saint]

Not aimed at you specifically mate, but this whole rhetoric that keeps being regurgitated of "let's get this over with, no deal is better than dragging it on" ****ing infuriates me.

It's just ****ing nonsense. The cliff analogy above sums it up. You don't just walk into car garage and buy the first car you see, just to get the process over with. You evaluate the options to make sure you're making the right decision.

Thanks for your reply. I agree with your last sentence especially, but I thought that’s what Parliament has been about for 2+ years, and still has not come to a decision.

 

[Brinkworth Saint]

I'm confused by labour's policy and events. They're saying they wont vote in favour of an election until a Brexit day delay is ensured which is fair enough. But both bills are today, right?

Does that mean that labour will support an election vote if it is after the delay bill? What's setting the order of things? I thought parliament had control today?

Labour have not a clue what they are doing, rejected a reasonable deal 3 times, and Corbyn has been a complete disaster as a leader, some of my left of centre friends cannot believe what they are watching, much as I am with my Party!

 

[Brinkworth Saint]

Ok they voted for not leaving Europe........or at least stopping a no deal. Ok parliament now lets get the agreement of how we are staying in Europe..........Oh forgot you haven't managed to do that in 3 years............going to be an interesting few years......Think I'll emigrate..............

 

[Brinkworth Saint]

Sorry meant to have pressed the like button!

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Labour have not a clue what they are doing, rejected a reasonable deal 3 times, and Corbyn has been a complete disaster as a leader, some of my left of centre friends cannot believe what they are watching, much as I am with my Party!

You have been watching a different House of Commons in the last 2 days from most of us if you think that. Corbyn has appeared calm, reasoned, and statesmanlike, especially compared to the sneering sarcasm of Rees-Mogg, and the waffling bluster from the Prime Member.

And May’s deal was not reasonable as it excluded us from the Single Market and the Customs Union, as well as not being strong enough on protecting the same workers’ rights as are enshrined in EU law. All of those things are contrary to Labour Party policy.

 

[San Tejón]

Labour have not a clue what they are doing, rejected a reasonable deal 3 times, and Corbyn has been a complete disaster as a leader, some of my left of centre friends cannot believe what they are watching, much as I am with my Party!

Rejected a “reasonable deal” 3 times?
Labour have always said that they would reject any deal that made the economy worse and did not guarantee that employee rights would stay in line with those of the EU.
Despite being 64, the second part, in particular, is what concerns me most. Employee rights have been increasingly weakened by conservative governments and because of this (among other things) I fear for the future of my children and grandchildren, should we finally leave the EU.
Also, if I am not mistaken, your current party leader (among other Tory MPs) ALSO rejected the deal, so maybe it wasn’t as reasonable as you think.
As with the cliff edge and car buying analogies, if the deal isn’t good enough you step away.
And if you cannot get a deal that improves the lot of the UK citizens, or at least matches what we already have, then maybe it’s time to realise that things aren’t so bad as they are, and perhaps the whole thing really has been orchestrated by very wealthy people who are looking to avoid being targeted by the new tax laws being introduced in January.

 

[I Sorry I Ruined The Party]

Labour have not a clue what they are doing, rejected a reasonable deal 3 times

Reasonable to whom?

The problem is that a whole bunch of people voted for a Brexit under an impossible scenario. They were sold a bill of goods and told they'd get all the benefits of being in the EU, but none of the cons.

Turns out, it's not so simple. And since then various factions have been holding the country hostage by using a no deal Brexit threat to get their way, even though there seems to be a clear majority against it.

There needs to be a vote, given the new understanding of the situation about whether to remain or exit. And the government actually needs to properly prepare for a Brexit-- deal or no deal-- which it hasn't been doing. You can't exit like this, and not with these people in charge.