Thank you for the link, interesting reading it makes. I respect your reasons and there is a part of me that is in sympathy with some of your arguments. However what is clear, we are in the end game period now, and to get a decisive piece of action will end months of uncertainty, that is surely what we’re all after, even if we may see things differently.
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If you think this is the end game you have another think coming. Whatever happens next won’t be the end, only the beginning of the next phase, which, leave or remain, deal or no-deal, people’s vote or general election, will go on for decades. My 3-year old grandson will be living with the fallout from this utter debacle for the rest of his life. The country is divided down the middle, not across party or class lines, but in a completely new way, which should never have been allowed to happen. We may never bring the country back together again after this.
End game? Far from it, if and it's a biggy if, a deal is agreed its the start of the next round of negotiations. Referendum, and GE another possibility the next hour or so is interesting to say the least. The end of Boris please. Vote coming soon.
A Brexit would be not be the end of the game, but rather the start of a new (and horribly unpleasant) game. Imagine Johnson trying to negotiate a trade agreement with Trump.
IMO, what you're saying is you are tired of teetering on the edge of a cliff, so it's better to just jump off and die.
Boris loses the vote by 27 votes. This means the Hilary Benn bill will be debated tomorrow, to prevent a no-deal Brexit.
Boris tables a motion to dissolve Parliament and hold a General Election. This will be debated tomorrow too. He needs a 2/3 majority to enact this. I would guess that, counter-intuitively, the opposition won’t support it until no-deal is off the table.
For Parliamentary geeks like me, this is fascinating stuff!
Boris tables a motion to dissolve Parliament and hold a General Election. This will be debated tomorrow too. He needs a 2/3 majority to enact this. I would guess that, counter-intuitively, the opposition won’t support it until no-deal is off the table.
For Parliamentary geeks like me, this is fascinating stuff!
Indeed, rather than stepping back from the cliff edge and having a rational reassessment.
leaving the EU on no deal would only be the end of the beginning and kick off several years of uncertainty where we are trying to negotiate deals. Businesses still wouldn't be able to plan, they would just have their goods stuck at the border while paying increased tariffs having no idea when this will end.
not even Farage and Johnson are saying this is the end game.
This contemptuous bastard should have no part in a free and modern democracy. I hope his constituents have witnessed this disrespectful treatment of Parliamentary Democracy.
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and kick the bastard out at the next general election.
I have a new found respect for my MP Caroline Nokes this evening. She voted against Boris and his fascist plans.
Caroline Nokes: The Romsey MP has said her constituents would be worse off under a no-deal Brexit and their futures mattered more than her own as a Conservative MP.
That took real courage.
Caroline Nokes: The Romsey MP has said her constituents would be worse off under a no-deal Brexit and their futures mattered more than her own as a Conservative MP.
That took real courage.
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Looks almost like an old Pulp album cover. Just photoshop Jarvis Cocker’s head onto Rees-Mogg’s body.
He was in that position for well over an hour until the chamber started to fill up prior to the vote. Arrogant knobend.
Not aimed at you specifically mate, but this whole rhetoric that keeps being regurgitated of "let's get this over with, no deal is better than dragging it on" ****ing infuriates me.
It's just ****ing nonsense. The cliff analogy above sums it up. You don't just walk into car garage and buy the first car you see, just to get the process over with. You evaluate the options to make sure you're making the right decision.
Like revoking article 50 ? Come on now, lets not bring common sense into it.
Hardly, if it’s an end game we think is bad
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Me too. I have written to her congratulating her (after my recent critical letters, I thought it only fair).
I can only hope that your grandson and his generation enjoy the same freedom of travel, education and work we've all had as EU members. The benefits of staying in and working to improve the EU far outweighs anything to be gained by leaving if there are benefits any at all
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Exactly, and all my children and stepchildren have benefitted from the freedoms you describe. I will be heartbroken if my grandchildren are denied those things to satisfy some already super-rich bunch of nobodies’ desire to get even richer.