Off Topic Politics Thread

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It's very depressing to watch one's country slide down the drain, isn't it?

Honestly, sometimes the sheer stupidity bothers me more than the bigotry. I almost want to pull these people aside and be like "Listen, here's how you can win your race war." Guys like Trump and Johnson couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery, much less run a country, or something even more critical like leading your culture to victory over the forces of evil.

If we have to have a culture war, at least let's go for all the marbles so at least one of us doesn't end up screwed and the other one can go down fighting for something they really believe in. Because this is just stupid. We're all going to lose.. and for nothing.
 
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This thread has always been so one sided, especially without imps holding the fort door.
So I started looking around.
Apparently 'Brexit' means something else up North. Its like some wondrous light at the end of a tunnel. Something that will free us all while committing the rest of Europe to generations of knee bending. Has something been lost in translation, I do struggle a bit with a thick Geordie accent?
Here's a snip-bit, but it's alive of the Toon page if any of you are brave enough.
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Boris will be like Churchill.. the right man at the right time to lead us through these troubles.
The boot of the EU will no longer be on the backs of our necks... we will be free to make the deal if the century with Trump.
The EU countries will then bend the knee before Boris as their economies crumble into the primordial soup.
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I no longer worry about our political future. While the Amazon burns and our bee's die, we are happy to destroy our green belt for a 20 minute quicker journey on HS2. That says it all. We are fooked. <laugh>
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The population in various parts of the country, at various times, have been left to fend for itself. It seems that the further away from London, and the main centres, the populations are left to rot. Traditionally, Labour prop up these communities, by spending money, but without a great deal of forward planning or big ideas, and the Tories leave everything to free market forces [although they did do a makeover in Liverpool after the riots]. As a consequence there is always going to be some populated areas that gets neglected. You could point to the old mining communities of the North and Wales, and you'd hit upon decades of neglect, with communities shattered. I can remember reading articles from the early 1980s in the Guardian about pockets of deep political unrest, and that the government of the day [Tory] was playing a dangerous game. The government just banked on the people behaving themselves, and not 'upsetting the Nation'. Frankly, in retrospect, I'm surprised those communities didn't cause more trouble. That is where the deep seated dissatisfaction originated. And they've been manoeuvred by the mainstream paper media and far right groups to hate EU, which actually pushes funds in their direction. The problem isn't the EU. It's our own inept governments at various times.
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But like yourself, all this pales in comparison to news of the Amazonian rainforest catching fire through relaxed measures from an extremely right-wing President, which has resulted in an 85% increase this year over previous. This is a guy who, during his election, was dragging 80-20% in the polls, and colluded with a high ranking judge to trump up some charges on his opponent, and promptly jailed her. Good eh? Corrupted government is sweeping the US continent, and the 51st State, and the EU over here are supposed to be the nasty ones. And there are those innocent bees too. They are more important than any trumped-up President.
 
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St Badger said:
I like that the constituencies of cabinet ministers, who previously said proroguing parliament was unacceptable, are being targeted like this.

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Led By Donkeys are absolutely brilliant. If you don’t know, they are a group of 4 blokes, 2 of whom work for Greenpeace and 2 former Greenpeace employees. All the money for their advertising campaigns comes from crowdfunding and they don’t support any political party.
 
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I am gutted that although my mum lived here officially from 1962, she kept her Italian passport until April 1969, when she surrendered it and became a full U.K. citizen. They were (Mum and Dad) in Naples from 1966 (late...after the World Cup) until then. I was ‘Made in Italy’ and then born in Bournemouth 5 months later. The reason I am gutted is that even if she had come back here to have me I would have been British, but if she hadn’t given up her Italian Passport until after I was born, I would be entitled to dual nationality and could have stayed a EU citizen whatever happens. My Brother (born 1966 in Chiswick) is entitled to one and is in the process of getting it.

I would not have been bothered or even had to think about this until this whole mess.

To quote Vin “What a ****ing Triumph”
 
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The Ides of March said:
How I rate the PMs in my lifetime!!

Harold Wilson . Fantastic, Said no to the UK becoming involved in Vietnam. He was a supporter of industry and getting companies to set up business in the new towns towns around the big northern conurbations. Funded the foundation of the Open University. Asked Barbara Castle to devise a policy where Government and Unions would be productive together.

Edward Heath. Clearly a person with a visión as he took us into the EEC as it was known at the time. However, being a Conservative he found conflict with the miners, and in Northern Ireland, so obviously lacks empathy and a sense of even handedness

James Callaghan: I am struggling to see any positives or negatives about his time as PM. I think he was honourable and decent and tried to do a decent job. Weakness was allowing the vote of no confidence which led to Labour´s loss at the ballot box.

Thatcher: Not my favourite charácter but she had a visión even if I was opposed to it. I disliked her confrontational style. One of her better moments was her reactions post Heysel. The other strength being the introduction of the National Curriculum which laid down a script for teachers to enable students to achieve better results. And in subsequent years there was an improvement in both GCSE and A level results.

John Major: Possibly the most "human" of PM. Blighted by having to follow Thatcher, blighted by appointing such ministers as Lawson. I feel anybody could have shared a beer and conversation with him and he would have been willing to talk about football and cricket in equal measure.

Tony Blair: He was the most charasmatic of PMs we have had. Very charming, very seductive in making people believing in him. Pluses: the GFA and a raft of social legislation. The downside obviously the Iraq War and failing to get the UK into the euro.

Cameron: Charming, but useless. No visión at all.

May: Solid but dour. Lacked political wisdom.

Johnson: Absolutely toxic.
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A good summary with which I I find a lot of agreement.
 
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I too would agree with those PM ratings. Maybe slightly unkind to Callaghan who had a tough time without a majority. Other than that I would probably uprate Blair a bit. My best mate won our local constituency with a five figure majority in 1997 after being Tory held since 1959. That election was the most exciting political event of my life by some distance, Blair enabled that.
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
Sajid Javid has deleted this tweet for some reason. It would be awful if people on social media got hold of it and shared it all over the country, wouldn’t it?
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It's going pan European Chilcs. Loadsa good stuff re the hypocritical gobshites here.
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I beginning to think the idiotic politicians learned all this from Armando Iannucci. After years of positively NOT watching political comedy shows like The Thick of It and Veep [which I thought might be good, but turns out to be brilliant], which recently came to an end, I'm currently binge watching the entire output and they'll done all this before [seriously, they have]. And it's a crazy fcuk up, where the politicos gang up and/or are just at each others throats, just to posture and improve their own positions, and ordinary people are called "normals", and are percntage points to carry or drop.
 
ChilcoSaint said:
She is an MSP, not an MP. She says she will continue as an MSP until the Scottish elections in 2021. Nothing about leaving the Tory Party in her statement.

Under her leadership the Tories doubled their number of seats in the Scottish Parliament to become the second biggest party in Scotland after the SNP, and they also increased the number of Tory MP’s in Scotland from 1 to 13 in 2017. Her resignation will be a huge blow to Johnson, even though they hated each other’s guts.
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I always think it is better ti fight the fight from within. I hope all these Scottish Tories are backing her 100%. If this can spread to the rest of the party, there is hope that these invaders will be ousted. It is such a shame that the bastions of the media / the Mail, the Telegraph are very quiet about this. The Express is very fascist while the Sun would prefer to write nonsense stories about the whole issue.
 
This would make things very interesting and call Buffoon’s bluff that he really does want a deal, whilst also proving that it isn’t the EU that is being inflexible.
Bugger, link no workee.
In a nutshell Gordon Brown, on the back of talks with EU leaders, believes that the EU will withdraw the 31st October cut off date to give Buffoon the opportunity to come back to them with a new deal.
Pressure would then be squarely on Buffoon as he wouldn’t be able to blame them for the hated No Deal he is aiming for.
Outsmarted?
 
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St Badger said:
Just listening to the BBC talking about billions of pounds being made available for schools.
Does anyone, except for the ardent Tory supporters believe this will actually happen?
Pre-election bullshit more like.
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I believe it. I’m just assuming it’s down the back of a different sofa to the NHS money.
 
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