Off Topic Politics Thread

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Depends if you call leaders negotiating democracy. That's the part of what the EU does that the leavers are complaining about being anti democratic. The EU combines this with direct democracy to prevent things getting pushed through by unelected ruling classes. Either method I call more democratic than countries acting without consultation with others whom its actions affect.

The problem is with simply having nations representatives negotiate on equal terms is that you are effectively saying that an Indian person has 1/20th of the voice of a British person in those negotiations.

That doesn't mean it's not the best way for independent nations to negotiate but the system is unbalanced and not particularly democratic.

Putting the EU up against India at least brings the disparity down to 2 - 1 and we have much more similar ideals with the EU than India.

But if you want us to have a load of poorer nations to exploit then it's certainly better than having the EU with its democratic institutions and court that protects its citizens and buisnesses rights.

Why would we or anyone else want to exploit them...if you mean by that to get the right price etc why would we be exploiting them. Do we exploit the Chinese are we worried about their working practises. if we are...... why haven't we boycotted them same with other countries.
 
Why would we or anyone else want to exploit them...if you mean by that to get the right price etc why would we be exploiting them. Do we exploit the Chinese are we worried about their working practises. if we are...... why haven't we boycotted them same with other countries.

First line.
Have you not read any of the reports of the government exploiting the British electorate?
If they would exploit their own citizens, they would exploit people from other nations, as indeed we did when we ruled an empire.
 
Why would we or anyone else want to exploit them...if you mean by that to get the right price etc why would we be exploiting them. Do we exploit the Chinese are we worried about their working practises. if we are...... why haven't we boycotted them same with other countries.
Because you make a lot of money and such from it?

We have a higher tariff with China than we do with EU countries while in the EU which encourages us to trade with those who share our values and who we have legal arrangements to enforce standards. Trade deals also allow us to do this to an extent. US not following our standards on food production is why that trade deal was so unpopular and ended up being dropped. Although now we are weaker Trump is looking to exploit us and make us drop those values due to our need for trade and inability to chose the trade deals we want after leaving the EU.

But yes we are obviously exploiting the cheap Chinese workforce...

As a country China has more trade power than the UK does though.
 
I don't. Just thought it was odd. I don't think he would be strong enough mentally to be PM. Stewart says he would rule out a no deal Brexit. Which means he would have to go back to the EU and ask to renegotiate Brexit. And they would laugh at him. We would be back to square one. Like it or not, Boris and Gove are right - we've to prepare for a no deal Brexit. This saga needs to end and if it means we leave without a deal - so be it. Life will go on. The UK will adapt.

In the words of an elder statesman of tennis - “you cannot be serious”!
You actually think that the ****show which will be released upon this country by a no deal Brexit will allow us to adapt? This us EXACTLY the thinking that has got us into this mess in the first place.
A no deal Brexit will **** Northern Ireland, travel between mainland Europe and the UK, lead to chronic shortages of goods, services, food and pharmaceuticals, cripple the pound and the economy and lead to the break up of the UK. Plus the selling off of the NHS to the US insurance companies.
I’m trying desperately to find a country I can move to in the wake of one, because sure as hell I don’t want to be here.
Oh, and by the way, it will make nearly all of the Tory ministers who want to be PM plus their backers even richer than they are now - it’s just what they want.
Utter ****ing madness
 
Results of today's Tory ballot...

143 - Boris Johnson
54 - Jeremy Hunt
51 - Michael Gove
38 - Sajid Javid
27 - Rory Stewart

Rory Stewart eliminated. Quite how Sajid Javid has climbed to 38 votes is beyond me... well, it's not actually - clearly some tactical voting there (as expected) from the Boris backers towards Hunt/Javid.

You'd think a lot of the Stewart backers will now move on to support Gove though, with Javid dropping next. Then it all comes down to whether Gove can secure enough of Javid's backers to avoid the final two being Johnson and Hunt.
 
Results of today's Tory ballot...

143 - Boris Johnson
54 - Jeremy Hunt
51 - Michael Gove
38 - Sajid Javid
27 - Rory Stewart

Rory Stewart eliminated. Quite how Sajid Javid has climbed to 38 votes is beyond me... well, it's not actually - clearly some tactical voting there (as expected) from the Boris backers towards Hunt/Javid.

You'd think a lot of the Stewart backers will now move on to support Gove though, so I suspect the final two will be Gove and Johnson.
Stewart was said to be talking to Gove about a deal so that looks likely. The buffoon is bound to win though.
 
Let's hope Boris is elected and his term in office matches that of Fat Sam's time in the England job!!!
It could happen. Ken Clarke and about 40 other Tories could well side with the opposition in a no-confidence vote if it’s looking like a no-deal Brexit. And whatever the membership of the Tory Party thinks of Boris, the public surely won’t vote for the utter clown.

Would they? <yikes>