Off Topic Politics Thread

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Beddytare said:
Try being here in Aussie........because we’re from the uk they seem to think all we want to talk about is Brexit.....It’s interesting though I have yet to meet an Aussie who thinks we should remain. All and I mean all of my nieces and nephews who are out here on working visa’s surprised me........all in the 20-30 age range, all voted out. This surprised me........They all agree the whole afair seems to have been mishandled.
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When you think that the main media channels in Oz are owned by rabid right-wingers, it is no surprise that their thinking has been influenced to be pro-Brexit. What other electorate would put up with the ultra-Conservatism of the awful "Liberal" party for so long?
 
What we desperately need right across the globe is for progressive forces to unite to defeat the forces fo destructive Conservatism. The only aceptable Conservative face is Germany's Christian Democrats and the CS in Bavaria. Beyond that, and it gradually becomes repulsive.
 
ChilcoSaint said:
I presume you qualify for a postal vote so your signature is eminently valid!
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Interestingly, I failed to vote in the referendum because it was made so hard. I had to apply (by post) to my local Electoral Registration Office (which I assumed was where I lived before I went to Serbia) never got a reply, couldn't vote. Multiply that by everyone else abroad who failed to register (and would have voted remain) and UK voted Leave! To quote the orange man "Electoral Fraud!!! FAKE RESULT!!!" btw the confirmation email has a link to register to vote on-line. I'll give that a go now, ready for the next referendum :)
 
SaintinSerbia said:
done. (it asked if I wanted a postal vote or vote by proxy (they'd send a form) so I went for come back to UK to vote - only way to be sure I voted!)
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Interestingly, and with perfect timing, they are at this very moment debating the 3rd reading of the Overseas Electors Bill in the HoC, which is designed to remove some of the anomalies from the existing rules.
 
SaintinSerbia said:
Interestingly, I failed to vote in the referendum because it was made so hard. I had to apply (by post) to my local Electoral Registration Office (which I assumed was where I lived before I went to Serbia) never got a reply, couldn't vote. Multiply that by everyone else abroad who failed to register (and would have voted remain) and UK voted Leave! To quote the orange man "Electoral Fraud!!! FAKE RESULT!!!" btw the confirmation email has a link to register to vote on-line. I'll give that a go now, ready for the next referendum :)
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When I registered I had to give the postcode of the last address I was registered in England. Once that was done registration was completed and I have the postal vote option. IF there is another referendum I'm sure the overseas vote will be mobilised. That said I'm amazed there are EU living pensioners who have voted for a pay cut and loss of healthcare, un'kin'believable! Jij stomme eikels in colloquial Dutch. Fortunately we've worked for years in the Dutch system so we're covered by Dutch healthcare and pensions.

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StJabbo said:
When I registered I had to give the postcode of the last address I was registered in England. Once that was done registration was completed and I have the postal vote option. IF there is another referendum I'm sure the overseas vote will be mobilised. That said I'm amazed there are EU living pensioners who have voted for a pay cut and loss of healthcare, un'kin'believable! Jij stomme eikels in colloquial Dutch. Fortunately we've worked for years in the Dutch system so we're covered by Dutch healthcare and pensions.

Jab
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Yeah, absolutely. My cousin is (sadly) a mega-Brexiteer, yet he runs a business employing (mainly British) crew for private yachts in the Med, plus he owns a place in France. I’ve tried asking him to explain what the benefits of Brexit are (like all the others he cannot - other than “taking back control”) and when I point out to him the (to me) obvious issues with not being in the EU which will majorly affect his life, he accuses me of “scaremongering”. I despair .......
 
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davecg69 said:
Yeah, absolutely. My cousin is (sadly) a mega-Brexiteer, yet he runs a business employing (mainly British) crew for private yachts in the Med, plus he owns a place in France. I’ve tried asking him to explain what the benefits of Brexit are (like all the others he cannot - other than “taking back control”) and when I point out to him the (to me) obvious issues with not being in the EU which will majorly affect his life, he accuses me of “scaremongering”. I despair .......
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I'm with you there. None of these people have been able to list any benefits financial, social or cultural. There will be tears.
 
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The Ides of March said:
What is it with successive Conservative Governments in that they manage to always divide the country from top to bottom. I remember troops were sent to Northern Ireland by Harold Wilson and they were welcomed by the Nationalist population. In 1970 the Tories came back and of course managed to turn the Nationalist popualtion against the army with their policies. Back in mainland blighty they managed to divide the nation with their policies that provoked a miners' stirke, blackouts and the 3-day week

In 1974 Labour came back and were tasked with healing the divisions again. Forward to 1979 and Thatcher's Tories managed to divide the nation yet again by provoking the miners' and other unions into a series of strikes. And of course the right-wing press managed to make the unions the villains of the peace. 1982 and her Government's disastrous neglect of Las Malvinas stoked a war with Argentina. How many dead war héroes were there giving their lives because of the Gvernment's ineptitide? Then there was the disastrous poll-tax which put paid to her.

Her replacement, Major was half decent despite having the destructive forces of Lawson and Lamont around. 1997 and the country was at peace with itself for over a decade thanks to New Labour. We know the script from 2010 / divide and rule, make mayhem and put the blame of everyone else except the uselessness of the Government itself.
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So Blair didn’t divide then over Iraq? Didn’t tell lies, did apologise etc? Back further, the streets in 1979 were a mess, the dead weren’t getting buried, etc. Callaghan said ‘crisis, what crisis? Before then Wilson/Jenkins, tried to convince us that the pound in our pocket was not worth less after devaluation. Come on I’m not saying the Tories are devoid of blame at all, but they don’t have the monopoly of blame here! And the good thing is? There are millions of decent friendly folk on both sides of ‘the divide’ Let’s agree on that!!
 
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