It is very hard for you to understand what I mean. It is very hard for each side of this argument to understand each other. You talk about globalism as for example UK just being a base for global companies to setup in. All investment coming from outside. What you are talking about here is not what I call globalism. Who is in control of it? The companies that jump around the world. Globalism is just a term for business getting their own way and f***ing people, countries regions over. Who cares, its all about the desperate theoretical money grab. The growth and GDP figures. It isn't anything at all in reality to do with the actual people it pretends to be such a carer about. Just short term headlines based on financials that normal people don;t even see because those taxes they paraded are then pushed into cronies, fake shell companies, NGOs and anything else they can filter the money to instead of actually doing what they pretend they want to do.
This is nothing to do with just the UK and not the EU. It is the whole of the political, business and ruling class across the board.
Your argument holds no weight at all. You can moan all you like about people being angry and it being a protest vote and you can even question their analysis but tn the end their analysis isn't that far off the money. they are being f***ed over by short termists on the make and companies that will jump all over the place every 10 years for the best deal. That deal may not just be financial. It could be technical, infrastructural etc. What do we and others have in Europe? History. Thats it. the infrastructure everywhere is outdated. The products we have built a hundred years of dominance on are now on the way out. All those massive global companies? How many of them that will survive into the future are British? How many of the big globals that are European will survive?
Do you think 20, 30, 50 years from now Germany will still be boasting about their auto industry? Or will Japan/China have taken over the market? Do you think European banks will dominate forever? What are the EU and European governments doing to support the future? Nothing. They are busy trying to protect what they have. The only thing they do about the future is green policy. policy that is a pure political lie because in reality they are still promoting this great life with houses full of as much electrics as possible, every house with a car (electric cars will still need charging.) The only investment in the future is the green policy. Everything else is just for now. keep things ticking along and hope for the best.
You can keep pulling soundbites out if you want but it is a fact that the EU is a hindrance to anyone that might want to actually look to the future. It most definitely is not forward looking unless they can sound nice about green stuff in one speech with nobody batting an eyelid when they promote more flights, more cars etc.
You look through the prism of the (supposedly) liberal mind. The prism that is just annoyed with what happens yet does not analyze why it happens. Trump happened because the "liberals" thought they could blag the people forever and keep on syphoning off the money. Same with Brexit (UK governments and the EU doing the same.) This whole globalisation model sold as something for all, freedom for the people yet it is about nothing more than fooling you and I into welcoming the next big company to come and f*** us over. These companies are the new version of the colonists that we supposedly now hate. They come, and mine all the minerals from your land and then once they've wasted it or it is costing too much to extract more they pi** off and do it somewhere else. Hurrah for the new imperialists form Davos
This is not an argument. It’s a list of grievances.
I get it. You don’t like big corporations and government. Fine. How is leaving the EU going to fix this?
Do you think that the likes of Johnson and Farage who pushed for Brexit, but then couldn’t get out fast after the vote are crusaders for justice? Or May, who made a power grab and since then has been jerking the entire country around to cling to her political post? Or Corbin?
This is the disconnect. You have such a deep resentment and distrust of government, politicians, and business, but somehow you have full confidence in Brexit— an idea pushed onto the public by some of the biggest scoundrels there are.
That’s how they snookered people. They got them all fired up about how bad things suck, and then trotted Brexit out there. What was Brexit supposed to solve? Nothing. They had no idea. That’s why they ****ed off the second it passed.
Yes, it was a protest vote. You’ve given reasons for why you felt it necessary to protest. I have no doubt there is some merit to your argument and that others feel similarly. But how many people truly thought beyond their anger and asked if they were doing the right thing?
How many people who were so eager to vote for “outside” candidates to blow up the system paused to think “Hey wait a minute... claiming to be an outsider and blaming all the insiders for problems is actually the oldest trick in the book.” It’s the most cynically manipulative inside move there is.
It works so well, that those with half a lick of sense ran far away as fast as they could just when it seemed they had won. Why? Because they knew they were now insiders, they had no plan, and they were going to be screwed by someone playing the same trick on them they just used. Only May was greedy enough to go for it,and you see where that got her, and you.
I’m not trying to argue that you all remain. I think you should, but whatever. There are some reasons to leave that I can recognize even if I disagree. But those reasons require a full plan, and next steps which no one had. See? Even if Brexit is indeed the right move, it’s not be done for the right reason, or any coherent reason and that means whatever grand vision you have for post-Brexit England will fail.
This is not an argument over whether to leave or stay. It’s about the current state of the country. I’m just pointing out that the reason your country is in a mess is because no one really knew why they wanted a Brexit so bad. You’re like the dog that chased the car and caught it (because the car stopped). It’s like... ummm.... now what? Why was I even chasing this?
You’re likely going to hard Brexit not out of principle, but because you painted yourself into a corner. That’s no way to run a country. Sorry man, but from where I’m sitting this looks a whole lot like “**** you, EU. You don’t get to screw us over. I only we get to screw ourselves over.” Good job. Really showed... someone I guess... who is the boss. Wait, who is the boss actually? Because I’m not seeing one.
You can vote to stay, or remain, or wait to get booted out. It’s not going to solve your problem. You are already screwed. I say the same thing about the US. It doesn’t matter if Trump wins or loses in 2020. There is a deep divide in both of our countries that political games and votes will not solve.
