Off Topic Politics Thread

[brb]

Article 50 to be extended - 1.18 on Bf. That’s long odds-on an extension. After which s 2nd referendum becomes a lot more likely. Imo Remain would walk that.

Just seen them chatting to Cameron, he was pretty clear, there should be an extention and the reasoning he gave was brexiters keep voting against brexit

Nice one from our Rodney...i mean Dave.

 

[brb]

Just seen them chatting to Cameron, he was pretty clear, there should be an extention and the reasoning he gave was brexiters keep voting against brexit

Nice one from our Rodney...i mean Dave.

Whoops, wrong board, sorry lads

 

[Archers Road]

A GE would pretty much certainly result in a hung Parliament. Also, you need to factor in the fact that Corbyn is a Leaver, so we'd be out of the frying pan and into another identical frying pan just along from it.

And I know it's tedious to keep repeating this but in the absence of action by the government, the UK will cease to be a member of the EU by the action of international law at 11pm on 29th March. So a GE wouldn't sort out the looming cliff. And GEs take (I think) six weeks to get through, so we'd be in dire trouble.

Vin

Corbyn is not a leaver. His stated position before the referendum was Remainer “with reservations”. What’s changed since then is the outcome of the vote, which he, being every inch a democrat, believes has to be respected.

He won’t ever be an enthusiastic proponent of a 2nd referendum, but he is being brought round to that position by the rest of the Labour Party, by which I mean the grassroots, who he respects more than he does the PLP.

 

[Beddy]

The whole things a bloody mess. What the heck about the deal are the MPs so worried about? I can’t figure them out.........Perhaps lessons can be learned.........most politicians thought the vote would be to stay. They weren’t prepared for anything else. Two bloody years later they’re still not prepared...........and these are the people we rely on to govern us. God help us if they ever have to make a real decision!!

 

[San Tejón]

Fifty days, MPs will be forced into a May Deal vs Crash Brexit decision.

Six months, possibly nothing but we'd be forced to take part in the European elections at which point further extensions become possible and the below could happen.

A year, MPs will admit halfway through it that there's no consensus and they'll hand it back to the people. Remain would be a 75:25 chance, IMO. There'd also be time such that it could become possible that Corbyn is ousted, Labour chooses a pro-Remain leader and it's a slam-dunk Remain.

Or something else, of course. These are strange times.

Vin

Not disagreeing with anything you say, as you seem to cut through all the bullshit and say it how it is, but when pressed on how he had voted Corbyn claimed that he had voted Remain.

 

[San Tejón]

Not disagreeing with anything you say, as you seem to cut through all the bullshit and say it how it is, but when pressed on how he had voted Corbyn claimed that he had voted Remain.

Oops already stated by Archers

 

[VocalMinority]

I see we're going for the no tariff approach to protecting our economy. That means without trade deals our government will have lost control over the standards of what we import. massive deregulation. This will allows unscrupulous businesses to profit at the consumers expense and ethical businesses to be competing at a disadvantage.

Hope those who wanted us to have more control over our country are happy.

 

[StJabbo]

All together now, follow the bouncing ballsup.

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[The Ides of March]

The whole things a bloody mess. What the heck about the deal are the MPs so worried about? I can’t figure them out.........Perhaps lessons can be learned.........most politicians thought the vote would be to stay. They weren’t prepared for anything else. Two bloody years later they’re still not prepared...........and these are the people we rely on to govern us. God help us if they ever have to make a real decision!!

The fault lies fairly and squarely with the Conservatives. They decided on a referéndum and as we have seen that has been disastrous. The Tories thus need to be hammered by the electorate at the next general election. Meantime, Theresa May needs to stand above party politics and for the good of the country, pull the plug on Article 50 if the HoC rejects "no deal."

 

[ImpSaint]

Don't tell me: it's because of diesel, the universal scapegoat of the Brexiteers. It's a problem that only manufacturers of cars in the UK have (BMW/Audi/Peugeot/Seat don't suffer from the diesel problem because... er, magic) and diesel is the reason companies are moving production from the UK as fast as they can up sticks. Nothing to do with Brexit, oh no. It's diesel.

If you meet someone who makes this claim (and, boy, I've spoken to several), beware. Their critical thinking skills have been suborned by reading Brexit propaganda with common sense switched off. Handle with care.

Vin

Read the article Vin. It says they are pulling those 2 models out of Western Europe again due to struggling sales. Even the BBC in this article state this.

 

[VocalMinority]

Read the article Vin. It says they are pulling those 2 models out of Western Europe again due to struggling sales. Even the BBC in this article state this.

Which of course makes Brexit have an even bigger effect on Nissan.

You really need to stop listing negative reasons as if they somehow disprove Brexit as a negative reason rather than making it a bigger one. In buisness the effects are multiplicative.

 

[ImpSaint]

Which of course makes Brexit have an even bigger effect on Nissan.

You really need to stop listing negative reasons as if they somehow disprove Brexit as a negative reason rather than making it a bigger one. In business the effects are multiplicative.

The article states why they have made this decision. They are concentrating on the US and China with this car because it isn't selling in Europe.



"Western Europe remains the most challenging and competitive region for premium cars," Infiniti's chief spokesman, Trevor Hale, said.

Instead, Nissan plans to promote the Infiniti brand in the US and Chinese markets.

In the US it plans to focus Infiniti on sports-utility vehicles and in China it plans to launch five new vehicles."

Pretty plain to see there, the model isn't selling in Europe so they're pulling out entirely.



"The Infiniti line-up of cars will be electric from 2021 and diesel versions will be discontinued, the company said."

Nothing to do with diesel or the move into electric, nothing at all. Brexit, that's yer man.

 

[VocalMinority]

The article states why they have made this decision. They are concentrating on the US and China with this car because it isn't selling in Europe.



"Western Europe remains the most challenging and competitive region for premium cars," Infiniti's chief spokesman, Trevor Hale, said.

Instead, Nissan plans to promote the Infiniti brand in the US and Chinese markets.

In the US it plans to focus Infiniti on sports-utility vehicles and in China it plans to launch five new vehicles."

Pretty plain to see there, the model isn't selling in Europe so they're pulling out entirely.



"The Infiniti line-up of cars will be electric from 2021 and diesel versions will be discontinued, the company said."

Nothing to do with diesel or the move into electric, nothing at all. Brexit, that's yer man.

I said stop using that non sequitar logic. Not repeat it. All of those things increase the affect of Brexit. That's actually what they mean by challenging market. That every effect has a big impact.

Hell even your joke at the end only highlights the bad logic in trying to rule one bad effect out with another and supports my argument

 

[ImpSaint]

I said stop using that non sequitar logic. Not repeat it. All of those things increase the affect of Brexit. That's actually what they mean by challenging market. That every effect has a big impact.

Hell even your joke at the end only highlights the bad logic in trying to rule one bad effect out with another and supports my argument

You do talk some rubbish. The article tells you they are leaving western Europe, doing away with the diesel model. Simple as that.

 

[davecg69]

Not disagreeing with anything you say, as you seem to cut through all the bullshit and say it how it is, but when pressed on how he had voted Corbyn claimed that he had voted Remain.

I have a feeling that Jeremy would claim anything to look good (like most politicians) in the hope that he can, somehow, become PM. What a sad, sorry, pathetic bunch we have “leading” us. I’m seriously contemplating moving to a real banana republic, not one which pretends it’s not. As long as I can come back here from time to time and I can get Saints games on tv or streamed I think I could be happy

 

[VocalMinority]

You do talk some rubbish. The article tells you they are leaving western Europe, doing away with the diesel model. Simple as that.

Yet another statement that doesn't support your point.

Not that its relevant to your poor logic but in the same statement by Nissan: "The continued uncertainty around the UK’s future relationship with the EU is not helping companies like ours to plan for the future."


But of course i know you have trouble understanding business so it all seems like rubbish to you. But I'll give you a hint. International business is anything but simple.

 

[San Tejón]

Interesting perspective from Germany.

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[San Tejón]

This might work.

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[davecg69]

PM announces a new Brexit plan .....

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[San Tejón]

Another great suggestion.

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