Off Topic Politics Thread

[ImpSaint]

Go right ahead it's spot on. Do have a look, if you haven't already, at the posters @ByDonkeys
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The first one says "should" and he is (was) right. It should have been the easiest. That it hasn't been doesn't mean that he was wrong.

And what is wrong with the Jacob one? People's vote are wanting a referendum on the WA. the negotiation has been completed yet. The negotiation isn;t just the withdrawal agreement.

 

[ImpSaint]

And yet another Brexit campaigner is leaving the sinking ship. Seriously, how can so many “ordinary” men and women believe Brexit will be good for us, when so many high profile, wealthy people are removing themselves and/or their businesses from our shores?

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There were plenty of people who don't live in the UK anymore voicing their opinion against Brexit.

 

[ImpSaint]

It's actually quite simple; the numbers in USD equivalent are readily available. The Eurozone was rather stagnant in the eight years prior to the creation of the Euro; after that point, it expanded rapidly. As such, you run into obvious problems when comparing that growth to the growth of other economies: is the growth since 1999 poor, relative to the UK and US, or is it actually pretty good given that growth in the UK/US also outpaced the future Eurozone (which had stagnated badly in the early/mid 90s) from 1985-1999? Perhaps there are other factors at play there?

I get what you mean there and I have said in an earlier post, each currency being strong and weak at different points may alter things. But yes I get your point. I like this comment from Varoufakis though (not entirely related to the above though.)

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[StJabbo]

The first one says "should" and he is (was) right. It should have been the easiest. That it hasn't been doesn't mean that he was wrong.

And what is wrong with the Jacob one? People's vote are wanting a referendum on the WA. the negotiation has been completed yet. The negotiation isn;t just the withdrawal agreement.

He was right? What do you base that statement on? I don't believe that was ever the case. Mogg is just a wrongun looking to be the next PM.

 

[shoot_spiderman]

Thats a bit of a general comment surely ?? There are certain parts of the country where the Afro is picked on more than others granted. Not as a general rule though surely. Also I really cannot think why you would compare us to the US. From my experience it is far worse over there. Especially in the South..........

It’s more subtle than being picked on. Example. There was an experiment where 2 CVs with appropriate experience were sent for job applications. They were exactly the same except the names, one being obviously British , one obviously ethnic. In most cases the British one was invited for an interview and the other one not.

I mentioned the US because he mentioned Columbia. You’re right I should stick to the UK

 

[Beddy]

It’s more subtle than being picked on. Example. There was an experiment where 2 CVs with appropriate experience were sent for job applications. They were exactly the same except the names, one being obviously British , one obviously ethnic. In most cases the British one was invited for an interview and the other one not.

I mentioned the US because he mentioned Columbia. You’re right I should stick to the UK

I except that could happen if the place of birth was outside the UK. But plenty of Afro's were actually born in the UK. So how would an employer know? I went to a convention about 10 years ago in Edinburgh. This contained mainly personnel directors and such. We had to fill in a questionnaire about hiring people and on what basis. (I forget the actually words) It was a tick box formula.......... Of the 40 odd of us who were there if memory serves the results that came in something like this. 98% would hire based mainly on experience only......only 2% mentioned ethnicity.........

 

[VocalMinority]

I except that could happen if the place of birth was outside the UK. But plenty of Afro's were actually born in the UK. So how would an employer know? I went to a convention about 10 years ago in Edinburgh. This contained mainly personnel directors and such. We had to fill in a questionnaire about hiring people and on what basis. (I forget the actually words) It was a tick box formula.......... Of the 40 odd of us who were there if memory serves the results that came in something like this. 98% would hire based mainly on experience only......only 2% mentioned ethnicity.........

As he said. Name only. I vaguely remember seeing the same experiment. Part of a documentary I believe. He was litteraly sending a copy of the same cv with just the name changed and often only the one with a British sounding name getting a response.

 

[The Ides of March]

I except that could happen if the place of birth was outside the UK. But plenty of Afro's were actually born in the UK. So how would an employer know? I went to a convention about 10 years ago in Edinburgh. This contained mainly personnel directors and such. We had to fill in a questionnaire about hiring people and on what basis. (I forget the actually words) It was a tick box formula.......... Of the 40 odd of us who were there if memory serves the results that came in something like this. 98% would hire based mainly on experience only......only 2% mentioned ethnicity.........

How can you weed out those who are subvertly anti-Semetic, anti-LBGT, anti-EU, anti-Islamic and would rather Afro-Carribeans were not here? Add to that those who think Turmp and Farage are wonderful. I would not employ anyone with these kinds of tendencies and would ban the Express and Sun from the workplace, or invest in an education program to help clear the rubbish inside their heads.

 

[The Ides of March]

So 7 Labour MPs resign from the party. Good luck to them in getting their views across, and in the face of the big machine that is Labour. Hopefully, some day they will rejoin the party that we all love after it has got rid of its Momentum and anti-Semetic elements, and returns to the values that saw it win three consecutive elections. We need you Tony. The UK needs you in its darkest hours as we head for the cliff.

Likewise, the UK Conservatives need to rid themselves of the scourge of the ERG of MPs.

 

[SaintJabie]

So 7 Labour MPs resign from the party. Good luck to them in getting their views across, and in the face of the big machine that is Labour. Hopefully, some day they will rejoin the party that we all love after it has got rid of its Momentum and anti-Semetic elements, and returns to the values that saw it win three consecutive elections. We need you Tony. The UK needs you in its darkest hours as we head for the cliff.

Likewise, the UK Conservatives need to rid themselves of the scourge of the ERG of MPs.

What annoys me about the ERG is that the tail is wagging the dog. The Tories need to ditch these hypocrites and extremists and actually do what's best for the country, not what's best for their party.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

So 7 Labour MPs resign from the party. Good luck to them in getting their views across, and in the face of the big machine that is Labour. Hopefully, some day they will rejoin the party that we all love after it has got rid of its Momentum and anti-Semetic elements, and returns to the values that saw it win three consecutive elections. We need you Tony. The UK needs you in its darkest hours as we head for the cliff.

Likewise, the UK Conservatives need to rid themselves of the scourge of the ERG of MPs.

I take it you mean return to the right-wing New Labour of Blair the warmonger which successfully managed to win Rupert Murdoch to its cause and ditch any vestiges of socialism?

 

[San Tejón]

So 7 Labour MPs resign from the party. Good luck to them in getting their views across, and in the face of the big machine that is Labour. Hopefully, some day they will rejoin the party that we all love after it has got rid of its Momentum and anti-Semetic elements, and returns to the values that saw it win three consecutive elections. We need you Tony. The UK needs you in its darkest hours as we head for the cliff.

Likewise, the UK Conservatives need to rid themselves of the scourge of the ERG of MPs.

Hopefully future rules will make it mandatory that when any MP leaves a political party, they must also quit their seat, and the £79k wage and perks that go with it, and immediately try to regain it, as an independent, at a by-election.
Then we would see if they were the draw for the votes, or if they were just benefiting from fronting their party manifesto.

 

[The Ides of March]

I take it you mean return to the right-wing New Labour of Blair the warmonger which successfully managed to win Rupert Murdoch to its cause and ditch any vestiges of socialism?

Nothing wrong with New Labour. It was a party that was voted for by the public 3 times winning handsome majorities each time.

PS: You don't think Tony Blair was his own man. I feel he paid lip serivce to Murdoch and went and did his own thing whether it was modernising the Labour party {making it appealing to Conservative voters) or having a war. Don;t forget the Good Friday agreement, and its legacy of bringing in Sinn Fein into the mainstream of Northern Irish politics.

PS: My own hero was Harold Wilson, the guy whose Government set up the Open University!! And is probably in many aspects the polar opposite of Tony Blair. God, how the UK could do with Harold Wilson at the helm right now. {He would have shown Murdoch where to go,as in the same way he told LBJ to go and do one}

 

[The Ides of March]

What annoys me about the ERG is that the tail is wagging the dog. The Tories need to ditch these hypocrites and extremists and actually do what's best for the country, not what's best for their party.

Anna Soubry has said much the same thing.

 

[rednright]

It was a good moment, and an opinion with which I concur. I did find it funny to think of the NIMBYs of Ayelesbury suddenly having "empathy" with us folks up north. The argument that the money should be spent improving the transport infrastructure in the North of England is a good one, but I did get the feeling the main argument was that they didn't want it so someone else could have the money. Had they wanted it the North probably wouldn't have got much of a mention - apart from the Wigan MP, of course. Lest you think I am simply resorting to sterotypes, I lived in Aylesbury once. Only for a year, as I was then released for good behaviour. My experience is that most people wouldn't have found the North with a compass!

agreed HS2 is a white elephant. The main purpose of it will be for freight not passengers...bit of a red herring. I was involved in early stages and it was more than a complete fix. Should be abandoned and replaced by a northern high speed route between Liverpool and Newcastle.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Nothing wrong with New Labour. It was a party that was voted for by the public 3 times winning handsome majorities each time.

PS: You don't think Tony Blair was his own man. I feel he paid lip serivce to Murdoch and went and did his own thing whether it was modernising the Labour party {making it appealing to Conservative voters) or having a war. Don;t forget the Good Friday agreement, and its legacy of bringing in Sinn Fein into the mainstream of Northern Irish politics.

PS: My own hero was Harold Wilson, the guy whose Government set up the Open University!! And is probably in many aspects the polar opposite of Tony Blair. God, how the UK could do with Harold Wilson at the helm right now. {He would have shown Murdoch where to go,as in the same way he told LBJ to go and do one}

It wouldn’t have taken much to get people to vote for New Labour after 18 years of increasingly desperate Tory chaos, but I accept that Blair did some good things, the Good Friday Agreement being the crowning glory. He also did some underhand, dirty, dishonest stuff too, of which the Iraq War, which we are still paying the price for today, was the low point.

Interesting that Tony Blair is praised for bringing Sinn Fein into mainstream politics when Jeremy Corbyn is lambasted for being part of that exact same process! It’s all in the spin!

 

[Archers Road]

Nothing wrong with New Labour. It was a party that was voted for by the public 3 times winning handsome majorities each time.

PS: You don't think Tony Blair was his own man. I feel he paid lip serivce to Murdoch and went and did his own thing whether it was modernising the Labour party {making it appealing to Conservative voters) or having a war. Don;t forget the Good Friday agreement, and its legacy of bringing in Sinn Fein into the mainstream of Northern Irish politics.

PS: My own hero was Harold Wilson, the guy whose Government set up the Open University!! And is probably in many aspects the polar opposite of Tony Blair. God, how the UK could do with Harold Wilson at the helm right now. {He would have shown Murdoch where to go,as in the same way he told LBJ to go and do one}

The Labour Party has always been, in effect, a coalition between factions. So has the Conservative Party. That’s a function of our first past the post electoral system, which doesn’t encourage small independent parties to thrive.

By resigning from the Labour Party because they are at odds with the leadership, all these 7 MPs have done is made it easier for the Tories to govern in perpetuity. So say hi to another decade of food banks, austerity, minimum wage jobs, zero hours contracts, underfunded schools and hospitals, homelessness etc.

 

[Saints_Alive]

The Labour Party has always been, in effect, a coalition between factions. So has the Conservative Party. That’s a function of our first past the post electoral system, which doesn’t encourage small independent parties to thrive.

By resigning from the Labour Party because they are at odds with the leadership, all these 7 MPs have done is made it easier for the Tories to govern in perpetuity. So say hi to another decade of food banks, austerity, minimum wage jobs, zero hours contracts, underfunded schools and hospitals, homelessness etc.

And tax breaks for the mega rich bastards that fund their party to try and preserve the status quo....wake up people!

 

[Brinkworth Saint]

I take it you mean return to the right-wing New Labour of Blair the warmonger which successfully managed to win Rupert Murdoch to its cause and ditch any vestiges of socialism?

Well at least they got into power with that line up! The filthy rich did well with them too, the poverty gap increased and all in 13 years. Not at all sure any of the magnificent 7 will charm enough votes from the public to get a foothold in this country’s government. The SDP failed, UKIP has failed too. Tough work and pretty hopeless task it would seem forming a new party that actually gets things done.

It always amazes me too, that many of those with the socialist soul, so passionate in opposition, ends up being in the House of Lords, or in the EU as a commissioner etc, feasting in the trough they had, earlier in their careers, condemned others (Tories of course) for the taking part in the same activities.

 

[Archers Road]

So how long before @ImpSaint turns up to tell us Honda’s decision to close their Swindon plant is nothing to do with Brexit ?