Off Topic Politics Thread

[VocalMinority]

It is prevalent in words but no actions in reality.

No in actions. More companies are creating and moving management and production to local offices then to head offices

 

[ImpSaint]

No in actions. More companies are creating and moving management and production to local offices then to head offices

they are moving people to the new places. Not moving the work to the people in those places. Hurrah, we are saved because a London company has brought it's London workers to Lincoln. praise the lord, hang on, why did the house prices just go up again?

The BBC itself just did this. they moved to Salford because they were trying to tackle being so "London-centric"...........but they took their London workforce with them, and people in Salford have seen housing prices in the area suddenly go up.

 

[ImpSaint]

I agree with Neville..........although Lincoln City don't have that problem anyway. Its always Saturday or Tuesday.

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[Schad]

Correlation and causation look warily at each other from a great distance. I'd suggest looking at the performance of the Eurozone countries before 1999.

 

[ImpSaint]

Correlation and causation look warily at each other from a great distance. I'd suggest looking at the performance of the Eurozone countries before 1999.

Very hard to look at the Eurozone before the Euro and match it up to when the euro replaced all the foreign currencies.

However just taking Germany v UK (against the $) Germany GDP was twice the UK GDP through the early to mid nineties. (Yes probably weak pound/strong DM) but from late96 - 97 to the time the Euro kicks in the UK GDP goes from 56% of Germany's to 75%. Caught up a lot in that 2 and a bit years and yes that might again be due to strengths weaknesses of £ vs DM / Euro.

So is very hard to gauge the whole of the eurozone vs the UK over these periods.

 

[Schad]

Very hard to look at the Eurozone before the Euro and match it up to when the euro replaced all the foreign currencies.

It's actually quite simple; the numbers in USD equivalent are readily available. The Eurozone was rather stagnant in the eight years prior to the creation of the Euro; after that point, it expanded rapidly. As such, you run into obvious problems when comparing that growth to the growth of other economies: is the growth since 1999 poor, relative to the UK and US, or is it actually pretty good given that growth in the UK/US also outpaced the future Eurozone (which had stagnated badly in the early/mid 90s) from 1985-1999? Perhaps there are other factors at play there?

 

[fatletiss]

It was a good moment, and an opinion with which I concur. I did find it funny to think of the NIMBYs of Ayelesbury suddenly having "empathy" with us folks up north. The argument that the money should be spent improving the transport infrastructure in the North of England is a good one, but I did get the feeling the main argument was that they didn't want it so someone else could have the money. Had they wanted it the North probably wouldn't have got much of a mention - apart from the Wigan MP, of course. Lest you think I am simply resorting to sterotypes, I lived in Aylesbury once. Only for a year, as I was then released for good behaviour. My experience is that most people wouldn't have found the North with a compass!

That young lady wasn’t MP when I lived in Wigan..... shame.

 

[fatletiss]

I agree with Neville..........although Lincoln City don't have that problem anyway. Its always Saturday or Tuesday.

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Imps - put this in the general football thread. Not everyone looks in here and I think this would be a welcome post.

 

[shoot_spiderman]

You are misreading me. I agree there is a problem. What I am talking about is that there are politicians, groups with vested interests or an agenda that take that problem and extend their scope to try and "capture" more than those that they should be helping which then ends up making it much much harder to deal with the problem they were supposed to be trying to address.
And then over time because this much larger group has constantly been told that they are part of this group then the group itself starts to believe the problem includes them and thus resentment builds because now it is such a large group.
I have long talked about this. Diluting the help that should have been focused on those that really do have the problem, no matter what the problem is, whatever subject.
I am not saying the problem itself is exaggerated. I am saying that certain groups or agendas are taking a problem but then trying to expand their target to make out more people are affected. the problem is still there. they aren't exaggerating the problem itself, they are just trying to develop more "customers / clients" because there is so much money involved or it is politically / strategically advantageous.

I don’t think I’m misreading you. I’m saying you’re talking about how some people talk about the problem rather than concentrating on the problem. It’s a bit like wanting to talk about Abu Hamza every time Islamaphobia is raised

 

[VocalMinority]

they are moving people to the new places. Not moving the work to the people in those places. Hurrah, we are saved because a London company has brought it's London workers to Lincoln. praise the lord, hang on, why did the house prices just go up again?

The BBC itself just did this. they moved to Salford because they were trying to tackle being so "London-centric"...........but they took their London workforce with them, and people in Salford have seen housing prices in the area suddenly go up.

So both people moving into london and away from london are both bad?
Honestly Imps your Cynicism blinds you when it comes to anything economical. Infrastructure is a big net producer of jobs and there's very good reasons why all roads lead to Rome as it were. Biggest being that goods and services moving up and down a supply chain is the very basis of industry, and those supply line nearly always go from decentral (which can be anything from a farm to a city) to central (anything from a village to a London or the US even) and back again.

Even when 2 sites lower in the chain need to send goods to eachother, its often more efficient to send everything in bulk to a central location. merge it with everything else that needs to go to those locations and send everything in bulk back again.

 

[StJabbo]

'Representative' Democracy. Quote by Edmund Burke :

“Your representative owes you not only his industry, but his judgement, and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion”.

Below cut and pasted from comments on a Guardian post on Facebook re the billboard campaign by Led by Donkeys (@ByDonkeys). It sums up pretty well my opinion of our parliaments handling of the referendum from concept to the situation we find ourselves in today.

For our Government to blindly follow a very small majority of those who voted, in an advisory referendum, using a hugely oversimplified question, concerning a vastly complex and far-reaching decision on our basic National Economic, Social and Security Interests, represents the exact antithesis of and massively undermines that tradition of 'Representative' Democracy.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

'Representative' Democracy. Quote by Edmund Burke :

“Your representative owes you not only his industry, but his judgement, and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion”.

Below cut and pasted from comments on a Guardian post on Facebook re the billboard campaign by Led by Donkeys (@ByDonkeys). It sums up pretty well my opinion of our parliaments handling of the referendum from concept to the situation we find ourselves in today.

For our Government to blindly follow a very small majority of those who voted, in an advisory referendum, using a hugely oversimplified question, concerning a vastly complex and far-reaching decision on our basic National Economic, Social and Security Interests, represents the exact antithesis of and massively undermines that tradition of 'Representative' Democracy.

Absolutely spot on SJ, couldn’t have expressed it any better. And I’m borrowing that Burke quote if you don’t mind!

 

[StJabbo]

Absolutely spot on SJ, couldn’t have expressed it any better. And I’m borrowing that Burke quote if you don’t mind!

Go right ahead it's spot on. Do have a look, if you haven't already, at the posters @ByDonkeys
Yeah right Dr Fox

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[thereisonlyoneno7]

What I want to know though is are we entering Eurovision this year?

 

[Saints_Alive]

What I want to know though is are we entering Eurovision this year?

Got even less chance of winning it now!...nil point

 

[shoot_spiderman]

i would not say fear, generally the black population from the 50,60and into the 70s commited a lower % of crimes than they do now so stayed off the police radar. if you are only .05 of the population then you kinda stand out if you are a criminal.
I have fair hair, green eyes and pink skin so i would be picked up by police over here in Colombia in a New York second if i did something stupid

You clearly don’t understand the benefits of being white and think your experience in Columbia is the same as the average black persons in the US or UK

 

[Beddy]

You clearly don’t understand the benefits of being white and think your experience in Columbia is the same as the average black persons in the US or UK

Thats a bit of a general comment surely ?? There are certain parts of the country where the Afro is picked on more than others granted. Not as a general rule though surely. Also I really cannot think why you would compare us to the US. From my experience it is far worse over there. Especially in the South..........

 

[San Tejón]

And yet another Brexit campaigner is leaving the sinking ship. Seriously, how can so many “ordinary” men and women believe Brexit will be good for us, when so many high profile, wealthy people are removing themselves and/or their businesses from our shores?

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[ImpSaint]

Imps - put this in the general football thread. Not everyone looks in here and I think this would be a welcome post.

She's a politician talking a lot about "treating fans" properly. Mainly about ticket prices etc but I like Neville Southall's reply.