Oh dearie me. Your glorious leader has a long, long history of war on foreigners and I'm happy to point it out in a satirical way. I'm ever so glad that your wife will be allowed to pay to apply for permission to remain in the country she presumably calls home. It's a sign of how perverted your worldview is by your alt-rightery that you consider that in any way normal or acceptable. You're applauding the Tories for creating a situation where we treat your wife differently from mine because of the place they were born. What a ****ing triumph!
You've quoted a post in which I haven't mentioned the word Crash. I reserve that for the utter insanity of No Deal, something you appear to support.
Interestingly you deride the view of economic forecasts about Crash Brexit while you accept economic forecasts when you tell us recession's a-comin' (a transparent effort by the right to prepare us for the lie "It was coming anyway, nothing to to with losing all our trade deals"). Can I just check, is it forecasters telling you Immingham will grow? Are they the good ones, the ones you like? The bad ones (the majority), they're idiots. But the ones who say your local port will do well, they're the accurate ones. Like the ones who say trade will grow with Crash Brexit. They're the good ones. The ones (the vastly gigantic majority) who say it'll **** the economy? They're the ones to distrust. You're a walking case of confirmation bias. You choose expert opinions purely because they support your viewpoint. I don't. When 99 people are in step and one out, I make a decision based on that.
As for optimism, the best response I have is not mine and I paraphrase. "International law doesn't care about your desire, optimism or willingness to work together, pull together or unite. International Law just is."
Vin
You can try and bend things to your narrative all you want. Every other country actually registers people when they come into the country. Not all charge but many in the EU do if it is for longer than X months. Yes it is a charge that we could do without however in any other EU country my wife would have registered when she came and Blair was PM then not a Tory PM. Not overly happy with having to pay but its a one-off and she accepts it.
And the argument, that some remainers use, that people didn't know when it was tweeted at Christmas is ridiculous. It was published in June. Bad timing for a reminder, yes but where was the uproar in June? My wife's Mum in Portugal has been asking my wife if she has done it yet so people in Portugal know but somehow those in Britain didn't?
War on foreigners? More propaganda. Mis-managed policies due to successive government's ineptitude never making sure that people had the right documents. May is useless I will admit but you seem to be implying that we should just let anyone come who wants to come and ne'er mind about registering. We don;t need to know anything, just come.
You continue to try and brand me as alt-right. If it makes you feel better continue but it doesn;t make things true.
I don't support no deal, I never did. That is a confection of remainers trying to brand leavers as always wanting WTO but that is wherre we are now. The political class have engineered the worst deal going allied with the EU instead of trying to negotiate. The only debate in reality in this country is because the house can;t decide which way to ignore the result. They all want to end up ignoring it, just the way and manner they do it is up for debate along with everybody trying to pin the blame on a remain collaboration dressed up as a negotiation as being the fault of the leave camp despite the leave camp being sidelined all the time other than worthless positions they were not allowed to fullfil.
And even now the stitch up deal is presented as evidence by the remain camp of being the best available and proof that promises made could never have been delivered. People might have believed that IF those supposedly trying to make a deal had actually negotiated instead of collaborating. This is the EU's deal. No negotiations. No coming from our red lines towards their red lines. Just May trying to sell an idea of having red lines, then pretending that giving them all up is meeting them half way when what she has done is the same as Cameron. Asked them what their deal is, then pretend to negotiate to that point and present a picture of that being something other than it is. Nobody believes it. It is not something "we now know, that we didn;t before." We knew the EU would do this, they have. We didn't expect our own politicians to play their game though.
So no I (most leavers) did not support "no deal". I don't support it now. I always supported a deal. A real negotiated deal not a fake setup written by Brussels 2 years ago and presented as an actual 2 year negotiation. So whilst I don't support no deal, unless there is a proper deal negotiated before the end date (or extended date) then no deal is better than the deal the EU has offered and in my opinion and of many others better than remaining in this cabal of the EU.
Even today another "respected" remainer has spoken about having to apply to the WTO and that Argentina might cause trouble there which is another lie because we are already members. We do not need to apply.
Yes I deride the forecasts. I make no apologies for that. Amazing how one half of society laps up the forecasts, never brings up how inaccurate they are, blames everything bad on Brexit, anything good on the world cup and summer sun. I suppose that is why Germany is now in a technical recession, because they got knocked out of the world cup. Take the forecasts made for this year. The EU still stands by theirs. The IMF just like to forecast doom for us, boom for the EU and then revise them on the quiet. Germany was supposed to be overtaking us this year. Our "slow" growth was supposed to be a tell tale sign that we were falling behind. What is the truth now? Our "slow" growth is actually looking quite good compared to Germany. Maybe instead of "despite Brexit" they should put "despite Trump and Germany."
A rececssion is coming, nothing to do with the right. China is slowing rapidly. Germany is officially on recession watch with the markets. It is expected to be announced they are in technical recession in the next couple of days. That isn't me or the right wing trying to swing minds. The "Pfft" forecasts that kept ignoring what was happening and even forecasting growth of 0.3% for Germany in November to bounce back from the prior quarter's contraction turned out to be 1.9% drop!! No doubt they will "pfft" again and forecast nice plummy figures for December. They are trying to paint a narrative ignoring the facts. Something they all accuse Brexiteers of doing. They are looking like fools instead of accepting what is happening.
If China continues to slow down and Trump's war on trade continues, then yes there will be a rececssion, there will be no escaping it and it will not be a Brexiteer's excuse to get away with anything. It will most definitely be presented as partly down to Brexit despite the painted doom of slow growth for us actually turning out to be pretty good performance compare to major EU nations.
Forecasters on immingham? The probably don;t know where Immingham is, They only look at Dover. It was the boss of immingham. He wasn't forecasting anything. He was telling the news that they were already taking trade from the South and saw Brexit as an opportunity to increase their volumes. He wasn't predicting percentages. He was detailing actuals of current increases and that he expected it to continue. It is the highest tonnage port in the UK. Scaling up is a smaller task than smaller ports. They could probably take all of Dover's "non" roll on/roll off without even increasing capacity.
He (the good one) is simply telling us what has and is happening. No made up figures for the future. Those "bad ones" are making up numbers for the future using them to paint a picture of UK poor performance compared to EU outpacing us ignoring what IS happening and not even revising the future when the current needs revising. Germany contracted in 1 quarter? Hmmm, they will bounce back in the next quarter no problem. Next quarter comes, disastrous numbers. Will they revise the net quarter? Of course not they will leave it the same and cross their fingers. And you want to paint people like me as being mad for not trusting forecasters? They all have a political agenda. That is exactly why they use the 99:1 ratio to mould public opinion as we can see it works
They say it will turn out bad, there be 99 of them. So it must be true, ne'er mind what the actuals say when they come along contradicting the forecasts. We'll just use the Liverpool example and say "next time, you watch, next time." And repeat forever until one forecast actually turns out the right way. It isn't confirmation bias. If someone announces what has happened I believe it. If they forecast what will happen yet every time it is incorrect then I will doubt their future forecasts.
Are we in recession? despite Brexit? I Brexit to blame for Germany being in recession? Did any forecasts predict that? The EU still preduct the Germans will grow more than us this year!!! They will need Chinese boom time growth in the last quarter to achieve that now. The doom and gloom of Brexit slowing our growth when this year's forecasts were made public. If our growth is held back then what to say about France, Italy, Germany's growth (which should have been making us look silly this year?)
The last paragraph? International law just is? Tell that to Trump, China, All the powerful EU countries that pick and choose which laws they follow. What international law? That is just a phrase bandied around that it turns out everyone cries about when they feel hard done by but does their best to get round and ignore when it suits them.
