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I get the feeling he's trying to disband NATO, cos it costs a bit for world peace, safe in the fact that the US has an ocean each side of it. Not sure who he'll trade with when the US is the only country left?
I wouldn’t hope anything from the British public, after all the majority of them voted to put us here in the first place...
*Runs for cover and popcorn
I think the opposition need to have a long hard think about what is better; the deal out forward or no deal. That’s going to be hard to decipher, as I doubt the 6 key points will all be met, but that still may (or may not) mean that it is better than no deal.
Don’t ask me to decide if the deal, whatever it is, is better than no deal, as I haven’t a clue. I just hope they think first if they do reject it, rather than reject it because it doesn’t meet the 6 points or just for political awkwardness.
Interesting few days ahead.
The problem both Labour and the Tories have is getting everyone on their respective benches to agree on whether the deal is good or not! Then you have the DUP wildcard. From what I have seen the deal seems not to be very different from remaining in the EU anyway, but what do I know?
I think we all should remember that both the main party’s did not want to leave in the first place.
So for either party to have to negotiate because of the way the people voted, When their own strategy was against leaving has to be bloody difficult. You can’t blame the Tories for that. ( oh I hear the arguments for whether a referendum was needed in the first place. I should point out that labour were all for the referendum at the time I’m told.....)
Under those circumstances a soft and agreed exit is probably the best plan. Surely no one thought the EU would make it easy.
If labour force a vote to not accept the deal imo they will be crucified.
What some people think that I have talked to about the matter is that if we have to go down this road at all a deal now would make it easier in a while for one of the parties to come up with a plan to go back fully in.
So for either party to have to negotiate because of the way the people voted, When their own strategy was against leaving has to be bloody difficult. You can’t blame the Tories for that. ( oh I hear the arguments for whether a referendum was needed in the first place. I should point out that labour were all for the referendum at the time I’m told.....)
Under those circumstances a soft and agreed exit is probably the best plan. Surely no one thought the EU would make it easy.
If labour force a vote to not accept the deal imo they will be crucified.
What some people think that I have talked to about the matter is that if we have to go down this road at all a deal now would make it easier in a while for one of the parties to come up with a plan to go back fully in.
And if we go back in, it’ll be at EU terms .... ie - we’ll be forced to ditch sterling and take the Euro, there’ll be no more rebates, so it’ll cost more and we’ll have a much worse deal.
People’s vote now to ditch the whole thing. Many who were conned into thinking it was a good idea now see it as the unplanned chaos it became and realise the best bet is to stay ......
So you are in fact saying.....because the EU made it so difficult to leave it would be better to stay??
As for having to take the Euro as a currency....why would that be.......not all that are in the EU use the euro as a currency. Can’t see that....but hey just my opinion.....
Labour wouldn’t be able to deliver on their own 6 tests. They’re a deliberate target to create failure for someone else. So far they’ve not needed to be questioned too hard about these tests, should an election come about perhaps we’ll see how then they actually will meet them. Both parties have made a complete mess of this, before, during and since the referendum. What’s more concerning is that I don’t see that state of affairs changing any time soon.
That's some serious negative spin.
He's saying it's because the EU gave us good terms to start with that we won't be able to get them again when future generations vote to rejoin.
Sadly don’t think there is any other option........it makes me smile when an opposition party says they would be better negotiating the departure. They have better ideas etc......Funny how something they didn’t agree with gives the idea they would be a better negotiating power. The whole things a mess that’s for sure.....
I believed the negotiations should have been an all party lead thing anyway. It’s a country issue, not a party issue.
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I certainly agree and was surprised that it wasn’t thought of or agreed on in the first place.
I certainly agree and was surprised that it wasn’t thought of or agreed on in the first place.
The problem with the whole referendum brexit process has been the ease with which the leavers have had simple arguments to sell... Johny Foreigner gets your job and your benefits, whilst we can give the n h s 380 millions a week... All lies, but as Dylan sung, 'When you ain't got nothing you've got to lose'.. Lies sold after years of austerity. Remainers had to sell that brexit would make things worse, the truth but a negative message. Promises, albeit ones that will be broken versus the status quo.
Now the argument will be vassal state versus no deal, with the same connotations as above. Our only hope is for another referendum. I'd like to see my grandkids grow up with chances I had.
Now the argument will be vassal state versus no deal, with the same connotations as above. Our only hope is for another referendum. I'd like to see my grandkids grow up with chances I had.
130 lorries enter Britain from Spain every day carrying nothing but citrus fruit.
People just don’t realise how utterly bound up with the EU our economy is. It will be impossible to disengage from the EU and form equivalent trade deals with the rest of the world that we already have via the EU by the end of the transition period. Utter madness to even think we can start, with the pack of fetid dingo’s kidneys we have in power.
People just don’t realise how utterly bound up with the EU our economy is. It will be impossible to disengage from the EU and form equivalent trade deals with the rest of the world that we already have via the EU by the end of the transition period. Utter madness to even think we can start, with the pack of fetid dingo’s kidneys we have in power.
I did like disarming honesty of the BBC reporter who said the other day he now has no idea how any of this (Brexit business) was going to pan out, so you might as well “ask Mr Blobby”.
And how did we get to this destructive impasse? Oh yeah, because David Cameron thought he could unite his party. Instead, he has left the country more divided than it has probably ever been; and where is he now?
And how did we get to this destructive impasse? Oh yeah, because David Cameron thought he could unite his party. Instead, he has left the country more divided than it has probably ever been; and where is he now?
Spending all his money earnt from his offshore bank accounts.................probably
