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ImpSaint said:
suspect or not you are being offended by a word because you are being "informed" it has a link to [insert.] You aren't offended by the word per-se. You are offended because you are told to be offended.

What if the alt-right started calling people "petal" if they got upset instead? Would that mean that people who use petal in the sense of "love" or "mate" or in Lincolnshire "duck" would have to stop calling people petal?

I'm afraid if people get offended by being called a snowflake they are indeed proving they are one whether they be left or right or Mr Trump who is the biggest snowflake out there.

We have to get away from this social censorship that toxifies anything that becomes associated with an extreme element. I should be able to freely state I am English without some preconception that I am some raging nationalist racist and I should be able to fly my countries flag without anybody making a false association.

Are you going to develop a new language if the "alt-right" or accumulated extreme groups decide to own the dictionary and start reeling off all the words?

Snowflake originated as an anti-racist thing. People who opposed the abolition of slavery were called "snowflakes." Its current literal meaning in common use probably came from fight club. IT is not something that appeared in 2016 like the Guardian seems to think. I first saw people calling others snowflake on the internet way before 2016 and it tended to not have any political leaning to it at all. It was nearly always preceded with "precious" and was more about the whole "getting offended" at the slightest thing.
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Again wasn't offended. Just pointing out it used heavily by alt-right. It's weird that you keep saying people get offended.
 
Beefy said:
Kind of sad you have to post **** like this. We and them bullshit
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I am tolerant. I put up with left leaners every day no problem. I'm glad everyone here is tolerating my extremist views seeing as I am right of centre so I'm a baddie.
 
Beefy said:
I would have said to your dad that he is coming across as racist. I call out hate speech where I see it and don't see it as PC gone mad.

What some people don't get is racism and other hateful views have been pushed back far more by people that have suffered by them. You may call it PC but I call it moving with the times and not accepting views that put down others just because of the colour of their skin or sexuality.

You call it snowflake, but I call it a person learning that treating others differently in words or by the way you act isn't right. It seems you are stuck in the old ways of thinking sadly.
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I call out hate speech. I don't call out things like that when it is quite obvious there was no intent behind it. Snowflake isn;t about fighting for rights. That IS an alt-right use. snowflake labelled at someone making a mountain out of a molehill is what it is usually used as.

I didn;t say anything to my Dad. He didn't mean anything by it. I raised my eyebrows when he said it and let it pass. The modern generation need to start to assess the intent of some languages. Best stay clear of Essex or they might have a breakdown with everyone telling them to "Shut up." Get offended by Ryland because he's always telling people to "shut up." Literal meaning has been taken too far.

I have no problem with PC when it is stopping someone being nasty. The rest people need to learn to ignore if there is no intent behind it.
 
Here's one thing I don't get. Young people can't be trusted to vote, but old people, who apparently can't (even after it being unacceptable for twenty years) stop using the word darkie, can make an acceptable vote for what the world needs today?

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ImpSaint said:
I call out hate speech. I don't call out things like that when it is quite obvious there was no intent behind it. Snowflake isn;t about fighting for rights. That IS an alt-right use. snowflake labelled at someone making a mountain out of a molehill is what it is usually used as.

I didn;t say anything to my Dad. He didn't mean anything by it. I raised my eyebrows when he said it and let it pass. The modern generation need to start to assess the intent of some languages. Best stay clear of Essex or they might have a breakdown with everyone telling them to "Shut up." Get offended by Ryland because he's always telling people to "shut up." Literal meaning has been taken too far.

I have no problem with PC when it is stopping someone being nasty. The rest people need to learn to ignore if there is no intent behind it.
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A person saying darkie isn't on the same level as shut up is it?
 
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Beefy said:
Again with the left crap. I can't take you seriously anymore. It's like you can't accept some of your views are outdated. Instead of trying to update them you would rather hit out at a whole generation of people.
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Name calling is the updated way is it? The right calling the left snowflakes even if they aren't and the left calling the right bigots even if they aren't? How the world has moved on.

Update? You are assuming that there is only one route forward and everyone who doesn't follow that route is outdated or left behind?

I think you'll find that the majority of this country are fine with LGBT issues, are not racist, are not bigoted and are not any other "ist" and that majority will vote Tory just as much as they will vote Labour or Lib Dem. You will also find the same proportion that aren't fine with one or more things that vote for all 3 parties too.

Voting right, thinking PC has gone a bit too far and thinking people should have a bit thicker skin does not make them outdated.

Whole generation of people? I'm not much older than millennials if millennials starts early eighties then being born in 1975 I am not far off them. Seems to me that it isn't generational and is more widespread across generations.
 
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VocalMinority said:
Imo people get offended pretty much equally, its just what they get offended about and whether people see it as being worth getting offended over thats different.

I have to tip toe around older people much more but thats probably because as part of this 'snowflake generation' i share similar views to the majority of my generation so i'm less likely to offend them?
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I am offended by the very thought that Royston Smith is still an MP!!
 
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Saints_Alive said:
If being a snowflake means that I believe in treating others with decency and respect irrespective of their gender, nationality, colour or sexuality, then yeah i'm a proud snowflake.
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But that isn't being a snowflake is it? That is being normal.
 
Beefy said:
Again wasn't offended. Just pointing out it used heavily by alt-right. It's weird that you keep saying people get offended.
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I don't think people do get that offended by being called snowflake. It's hardly the worst insult that could be thrown. I was merely stating that becasue some dodgy group uses a word it shouldn't suddenly be conciously banned because of association. F*** the alt-right nazis. It's my language too.
 
ImpSaint said:
You are missing the fact that on social media and at rallyes Corbyn has kept quiet about his Europe stance merely detailing the manifesto part.

While on TV and things the leavers especially the older ones are more likely to view they have been pushing the "ending freedom of movement and leaving the single market" line.

They have been selling 2 different lines to different audiences. Making the trad labour but leavers into thinking they are behind Brexit and letting the students believe they want to stay in the Single market.

McDonnell was quite clear on Peston.
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I'll just have to put it down to you having a gift for missing the point.
 
TheSecondStain said:
I'll just have to put it down to you having a gift for missing the point.
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Not at all. Corbyn and his team spun 2 contradictory pitches to try and get the heartland voters on board as well as the students. the former want out, the latter want in and it was a masterstroke to get it to work however had he been leader he would have had to upset one of them!

What about this article that I noticed earlier. Not sure if metro is "fake news" but made me chuckle to myself. I guess this would make people angrier than the uber talented Gove rightfully being recalled:
http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/11/the-d...having-a-role-in-brexit-negotiations-6701540/
 
ImpSaint said:
I don't think people do get that offended by being called snowflake. It's hardly the worst insult that could be thrown. I was merely stating that becasue some dodgy group uses a word it shouldn't suddenly be conciously banned because of association. F*** the alt-right nazis. It's my language too.
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I think the point is Imps, that when someone - anyone - uses the expression "snowflake" in order to belittle the opinions of another, then at the very least that person's thinking has probably been polluted by exposure to some pretty messed up company. It's not a word in common parlance. It's use appears to be pretty exclusive to angry right wingers posting bile on the internet.

It's a giveaway, in other words - like MSM is a giveaway. A code by which facists and conspiracy theorists both recognise each other, and label their targets.
 
I'm a bit confused by all this right wing, left wing nonsense to be honest. If someone voted labour why should they be considered to be left wing? Accepted that labour has a socialist idealism. However most people do not vote based on "left wing" or "Right wing policy's" surely they vote on what they deem is best for the country on the day. The next time there is an election they are just as likely to vote a different way as they will have been persuaded by a different parties argument on the days leading to the election.
In my view it was a mistake for the Tories to call an election, it was clearly a mistake to under estimate Corbyn.
I also accept there is a core of people around that will vote in for their favourite party no matter what they are offering.
However I am more convinced the majority of voters are, to use the modern term for them "floating voters"............Not particularly left or right wing.
 
And in other news, away from Operation Snowflake ...

ML news announces the latest parlour game. Spot the DUP demands. Those of betting inclination can give odds. Also taking odds on this Government still being here in 5 years time without the need for a further election.

My money is on stopping the flow of money to Sinn Fein. That'll all end well. Let's go for broke and get Nigel Farage to announce it in a face-to-face with Gerry Adams.
 
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