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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. aberdude

    aberdude Well-Known Member

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    Fingers crossed corbyn will be leading this country in the not to distant future....time is ticking for may :emoticon-0158-time:......Dup should lose every gay conservative vote in this country, can the Conservative party afford this loss of voting numbers......not looking at the recent result they can't
     
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  2. Beef

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    Kind of sad you have to post **** like this. We and them bullshit
     
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  3. Le Saint

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    Chill out Beefy
     
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    I'm chilled like I said earlier. Just saying it how I see it.
     
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  5. Le Saint

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    Thought that was what I was doing too but you'd like to label me
     
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  6. ImpSaint

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    Nope. The alt-right use it to put down any of the crazy PC stuff going around these days. The whole safe spaces and getting offended for the sake of being offended. thin skin. The Neo-Nazis you want to paint everybody as don't use any term to put down people who disagree with their racist hate filled views because they do not care what other people think. They are much more likely to say "Thank you."

    snowfloake is not an alt-right term. Left people use it, right people use it. It is not a left/right thing. There are as many people on the left that are as puzzled at the extent PC has taken over what you can say or do as there are on the right. It is nothing to do with political leaning and more to do with not understanding how so many have such a thin skin these days.

    There are people in this world that get offended at things no matter the intent.

    My Dad the other day came round to drop something off and had a cup of tea as usual. He always used to vote liberal and he said to me "I voted independent this time."

    I asked why and he said "All the main parties are more bothered about wrecking each other than mending anything so I voted for that Darkie instead."

    My wife was sat to me (who is black) and she didn't bat an eyelid but I cringed a bit there. So I asked "What Darkie."

    HE said "That chap from the Caribbean I think that's a musician. He had to pawn his guitar and amp to get the deposit so I thought I would give him my vote and help him get his guitar and amp back."

    Now to you that may be racism. My wife looked a little confused to what he meant but the intent of racism was not there. He didn't mean anything by it. HE is not racist at all. Just from another era.

    If he had said that in the company of "Generation snowflake" he would have caused them all to faint. They are not interested in intent. They are interested in being offended because they feel they are supposed to be offended.

    The fact that my wife's parents call Eastern Africans "darkies" (in portuguese) is not even considered....and the intent definitely is there with them.

    People call me alt-right. Some even call me racist sometimes. It is annoying. It may boil over sometimes and I lose my chit but the rest of the time I ignore it. I don't need to go and lie down everytime someone says something that they shouldn't whether the intent is there or not. Hence I am not a snowflake.
     
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  7. Saints_Alive

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    And Catholic vote...
     
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  8. ImpSaint

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    This is the modern left's tactic of guilty by association. You conform or they brand you with the nasty people. Use a term that someone nasty uses and you must be one of them. Show any concern for an issue that is right leaning and you're instantly one of the far right.

    Snowflake is still used to this day by the left, the centre and the right.

    Should we ban gatherings in halls or flat top haircuts because it is now associated with the alt-right? Ban Memes or any reference to frogs on the internet because they are associated with the alt-right?

    Maybe we should ban insults entirely across the spectrum? That would not leave the left with much to say though.
     
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    I would have said to your dad that he is coming across as racist. I call out hate speech where I see it and don't see it as PC gone mad.

    What some people don't get is racism and other hateful views have been pushed back far more by people that have suffered by them. You may call it PC but I call it moving with the times and not accepting views that put down others just because of the colour of their skin or sexuality.

    You call it snowflake, but I call it a person learning that treating others differently in words or by the way you act isn't right. It seems you are stuck in the old ways of thinking sadly.
     
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    Imo people get offended pretty much equally, its just what they get offended about and whether people see it as being worth getting offended over thats different.

    I have to tip toe around older people much more but thats probably because as part of this 'snowflake generation' i share similar views to the majority of my generation so i'm less likely to offend them?
     
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    Again with the left crap. I can't take you seriously anymore. It's like you can't accept some of your views are outdated. Instead of trying to update them you would rather hit out at a whole generation of people.
     
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    So what?
     
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  13. Saints_Alive

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    Just saying that I believe in a united Ireland, thats all.
     
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  14. Le Saint

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    However you are happy to chuck alt right at me? Out debated so you write the person off?
     
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    Again I said how I saw it. For a person that came in here saying we get offended you certainly got there quick. If you look at my post again I didn't outright call you alt-right.
     
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  16. Le Saint

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    Oh quit with the "we and them". Anyway. I'm off to go and do something more constructive now so you can have the last word with your next put down!
     
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  17. Saints_Alive

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    If being a snowflake means that I believe in treating others with decency and respect irrespective of their gender, nationality, colour or sexuality, then yeah i'm a proud snowflake.
     
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  18. ImpSaint

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    She can stick up for her sexuality but she and others can;t continually talk about getting round tables and putting differences aside but when it comes to it say "but not with them."

    She hasn't got to suck it up to keep her job. Is she now "not platforming" the DUP? Is that what democracy is all about? Talking about trying to work together but never being able to put it into practice? Will she cry about Theresa May "enabling" homophobia?

    This is exactly the meaning behind the millenials (of left and right) being called "snowflakes." They talk about getting around tables but then refuse to.

    Quilliam got round the table with Tommy Robinson. I'm sure Peter Tatchell has been round many tables with homophobes. The modern generation won't though.

    I suppose that is one good thing about Corbyn is that he isn't a snowflake. It comes down to his generation more than his mentality. The older generation do tend to be more prepared to accept that people DO have different opinions and some that they vehemently disagree with whereas the modern world wants to turn single room community pubs where everyone mingles into sectioned off cubbyholes where groups can be private without having to interact with anyone outside of their group.
     
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    All a bit heated on here tonight...
     
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  20. ImpSaint

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    suspect or not you are being offended by a word because you are being "informed" it has a link to [insert.] You aren't offended by the word per-se. You are offended because you are told to be offended.

    What if the alt-right started calling people "petal" if they got upset instead? Would that mean that people who use petal in the sense of "love" or "mate" or in Lincolnshire "duck" would have to stop calling people petal?

    I'm afraid if people get offended by being called a snowflake they are indeed proving they are one whether they be left or right or Mr Trump who is the biggest snowflake out there.

    We have to get away from this social censorship that toxifies anything that becomes associated with an extreme element. I should be able to freely state I am English without some preconception that I am some raging nationalist racist and I should be able to fly my countries flag without anybody making a false association.

    Are you going to develop a new language if the "alt-right" or accumulated extreme groups decide to own the dictionary and start reeling off all the words?

    Snowflake originated as an anti-racist thing. People who opposed the abolition of slavery were called "snowflakes." Its current literal meaning in common use probably came from fight club. IT is not something that appeared in 2016 like the Guardian seems to think. I first saw people calling others snowflake on the internet way before 2016 and it tended to not have any political leaning to it at all. It was nearly always preceded with "precious" and was more about the whole "getting offended" at the slightest thing.
     
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