Off Topic Politics Thread

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    38,729
    Likes Received:
    8,161
    In my opinion, looking at it from the Chinese perspective. They already had tariffs on selected overseas goods anyway because they want their people to buy more of their homegrown goods. And being a huge manufacturing nation that other economies rely upon [yet another lesson there Brexit Britain, not the leave Europe] they can pretty much get away with it. If the people still buy the overseas goods, due to the perceived upmarket price [more expensive, more exclusive, show them off to my friends BS] then the Chinese treasury wins anyway. Unless Trump puts an outright ban on Chinese goods in the USA [e.g. Huawei], the Chinese will still sell a healthy number because they are so much cheaper in the first place. I would suggest that the tariffs hurt the USA consumers a lot more than they hurt the Chinese.
     
    #18601
  2. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    38,729
    Likes Received:
    8,161
    In my opinion, China are playing a rather canny game. Look at their investment in clean energy, and in all parts of the world. They have been heavily reliant on coal to get their juggernaut economy up and moving into the fast lane. Now they are there, and all that construction has provided jobs. So now they are transitioning to clean energy faster than any other country [they're coming from further back] because they want to see an end to those polluted cities we're all too familiar with. And they are doing it themselves, with their own tech, which they've [cough] developed. Their electric transportation is 90% their own, because the only real rival is Tesla, and they dipped in sales a bit when their tariff hit 40% [previous post]. So what did China do? When Tesla asked the Chinese they almost had grab their arm back, the Chinese bit so hard. They've even built them a wholly Tesla owned factory [that never happens in China, an outside company can only co-own normally]] in record time, so that Tesla can make cars with no tariffs. But now China will have Tesla tech on their soil.
    So China has the biggest electric transportation industry in the world with over 500 companies [exact figure keeps moving up every time I check], with the biggest market, because they've geared it that way. Plus they have Tesla, which they love, and Americans are a bit meh about. Actually, it would not surprise me in the slightest if Tesla didn't eventually move their HQ to China.

    Incidentally, did you know that China are expanding a railway network from Beijing to London? They call it the New Silk Road. So far, China has the 21st century sewn up, it seems.
     
    #18602
  3. benditlikeabanana

    benditlikeabanana Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2011
    Messages:
    3,746
    Likes Received:
    647
    yet no one has has posted why he is wrong, feeling dont count
     
    #18603
  4. SaintinSerbia

    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    7,842
    Likes Received:
    5,253
    this bit! So, every time Trump has paid someone off it was because they were making things up and not because he was covering up something he did? Surely if you didn't do it and it was then proved in court that would be good publicity?
     
    #18604
  5. StJabbo1

    StJabbo1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2019
    Messages:
    598
    Likes Received:
    762
    If you can't see whats wrong with this misleading bollocks given Trump's public record and other posts on this thread challenging your view you need to talk to the Nigerian doctor.
     
    #18605
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2019
  6. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    38,729
    Likes Received:
    8,161
    Actually, I was going to trot out the old idiom that...

    There's none so blind as those who will not see.

    But I believed it to be a waste of time. And it probably is.
     
    #18606
    StJabbo1 likes this.
  7. Onionman

    Onionman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2012
    Messages:
    5,042
    Likes Received:
    6,329
    Yes, but you haven't responded to the examples we gave of why Trump's racist (bar the old tactic of posting a YouTube video rather than your own views), so why should we bother to answer your questions any more?

    Vin
     
    #18607
    davecg69 and StJabbo1 like this.
  8. St Badger

    St Badger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2014
    Messages:
    5,520
    Likes Received:
    5,656
    Well said John Bercow

     
    #18608
  9. St Godders

    St Godders Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2011
    Messages:
    9,569
    Likes Received:
    3,975
    CALLER: Is this Gordon's Pizza?GOOGLE:No sir, it's Google Pizza.
    CALLER:I must have dialled a wrong number. Sorry.
    GOOGLE:No sir, Google bought Gordon’s Pizza last month.
    CALLER:OK.I would like to order a pizza.
    GOOGLE:Do you want your usual, sir?
    CALLER:My usual? You know me?
    GOOGLE:According to our caller ID data sheet, the last 12 times you called you ordered an extra-largepizza with three cheeses, sausage, pepperoni, mushrooms and meatballs on a thick crust.
    CALLER:OK! That’s what I want …
    GOOGLE:May I suggest that this time you order a pizza with ricotta, arugula, sun-dried tomatoes and olives on a whole wheat gluten-free thin crust?
    CALLER:What?I detest vegetables..
    GOOGLE:Your cholesterol is not good, sir.
    CALLER:How the hell do you know?
    GOOGLE:Well, we cross-referenced your home phone number with your medical records. We have the result of your blood tests for the last 7 years.
    CALLER:Okay, but I do not want your rotten vegetable pizza!I already take medication for my cholesterol.
    GOOGLE:Excuse me sir, but you have not taken your medication regularly.According to our database, you only purchased a box of 30 cholesterol tablets once, at Drug RX Network, 4 months ago.
    CALLER:I bought more from another drugstore.
    GOOGLE:That doesn’t show on your credit card statement.
    CALLER:I paid in cash.
    GOOGLE:But you did not withdraw enough cash according to your bank statement.
    CALLER:I have other sources of cash.
    GOOGLE:That doesn’t show on your last tax return unless you bought them using an undeclared income source, which is against the law.
    CALLER:WHAT THE HELL?
    GOOGLE:I'm sorry, sir, we use such information only with the sole intention of helping you.
    CALLER:Enough already! I'm sick to death of Google, Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp and all the others.I'm going to an island without internet, cable TV, where there is no mobile phone service and no one to watch me or spy on me.
    GOOGLE:I understand sir, but you need to renew your passport first.
    It expired 6 weeks ago….



    Data mining explained in terms of all who do not get it..
     
    #18609
  10. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    38,729
    Likes Received:
    8,161
    Well I thought Nancy Pelosi was a spent force in the US House of Representatives. But she has said that the House will block any trade deal that doesn't honour the Good Friday agreement:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49348062

    So the UK will turn to the Commonwealth, which if it has any sense, will drive the hardest bargain on any trade deals, with the amount of times we've shafted them over the decades.
     
    #18610
    St Badger and davecg69 like this.

  11. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    38,729
    Likes Received:
    8,161
    #18611
    StJabbo1 and davecg69 like this.
  12. StJabbo1

    StJabbo1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2019
    Messages:
    598
    Likes Received:
    762
    #18612
    TheSecondStain and Archers Road like this.
  13. Farked19

    Farked19 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2019
    Messages:
    578
    Likes Received:
    567
    Corbyn's intervention is designed to present himself as an honest broker. In fact it is a cynical and not very clever attempt to continue to ride both Brexit nags. He knows it will be rejected and helps to push us a little further in the NoDeal direction. If that happens then damage to the country damages Pfeffel also and enhances Jezza's chances at a GE. As a little bonus the inevitable Irish border posts will see the Provos knock off a couple of PNSI men bringing back the Paras for a re run of the popular 1970's series. I say tsh as someone who worked for Labour in every election from 1964 until 2015 and represented the party as a councillor for eighteen years.
     
    #18613
    ChilcoSaint likes this.
  14. St Badger

    St Badger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2014
    Messages:
    5,520
    Likes Received:
    5,656
  15. benditlikeabanana

    benditlikeabanana Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2011
    Messages:
    3,746
    Likes Received:
    647
    Give me your views, i like to see what people watch or read. Just a few short years ago calling someone a racist was one of the worst things you could call someone, now it seems to be the default insult and used with no proof
     
    #18615
  16. St Badger

    St Badger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2014
    Messages:
    5,520
    Likes Received:
    5,656
  17. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    38,729
    Likes Received:
    8,161
    I think it's quite plain. Years ago, as you said, calling someone a racist was one of the worst things one could accuse a person of. It still is. However, at the moment, we live in a world where showing tendencies towards racism seems to be ok behaviour. Consequently, the accusations gets bandied around a lot more. Racism is still totally unacceptable.

    Examples of evidence of Trump displaying a racist or xenophobic attitude:

    Referring to Haiti and African nations: Why are we having all these people from ****hole countries come here?" And that Haitians 'all have AIDS'. Trump called for less immigration from Haiti and Africa and more from Norway.

    'On Mexicans: "They are not our friend, believe me. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." [whoopie]

    Nigerian immigrants wouldn't ever "go back to their huts" in Africa.

    To Navajo Code Talkers: "I just want to thank you because you're very, very special people. You were here long before any of us were here, although we have a representative in Congress who, they say, was here a long time ago. They call her 'Pocahontas.' But you know what, I like you because you are special. You are special people."

    "Laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that."

    In 1989, Trump took out ads in New York newspapers urging the death penalty for five black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in Central Park; he argued they were guilty as late as June 2019, more than 15 years after DNA evidence had exonerated them.

    Trump said a federal judge hearing a case about Trump University was biased because of the judge’s Mexican heritage.

    He has also claimed, without evidence, that migrants were/are carrying diseases into the USA.

    He spent years suggesting that the nation’s first black president was born not in the United States but in Kenya, a lie that Trump still has not acknowledged as such.

    In 2017, on the UK, Trump said: Just out report: "United Kingdom crime rises 13% annually amid spread of Radical Islamic terror." Not good, we must keep America safe!
    He is quick to highlight crimes committed by dark-skinned people, sometimes exaggerating or lying about them (such as a claim about growing crime from “radical Islamic terror” in Britain). He is very slow to decry hate crimes committed by whites against dark-skinned people (such as the killing of an Indian man in Kansas recently).

    He called Puerto Ricans who criticized his administration’s response to Hurricane Maria “politically motivated ingrates.”

    He called some of those who marched alongside white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., last August “very fine people.”
    After David Duke, the former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, endorsed him, Trump was reluctant to disavow Duke even when asked directly on television.

    Trump hired Steve Bannon as his campaign head and later White House chief strategist. Under Bannon’s leadership, the website Breitbart made white nationalism a central theme. It featured a section, for example, on “black crime.”

    --------------------------------------------------​

    I'm nowhere near half-way finished on the examples. But even the keenest has probably stopped reading by now. These are not my opinions, but copied and pasted from verified reports of Trump's words and deeds. I really don't think one can be confused by Trump. He's a racist, a xenophobe, is totally disrespectful to other people's, regions, cultures and nations. And he has totally degraded the office of President of the United States.
     
    #18617
  18. I Sorry I Ruined The Party

    I Sorry I Ruined The Party Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2012
    Messages:
    4,799
    Likes Received:
    1,880
    Just walk away, man.

    The problem here is not due to lack of knowledge. You're telling people things they already know but refuse to acknowledge, and all you're doing is supplying them with another opportunity to explicitly refuse to acknowledge them again.

    No one's going to be like "Oh ****, I didn't realize he did that! I guess Trump is racist." They're going to be "None of that was racist." What they are lacking is not information, but self-awareness.
     
    #18618
  19. Onionman

    Onionman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2012
    Messages:
    5,042
    Likes Received:
    6,329
    Already given my views. That's the point of my post. You asked why people call Trump racist. I gave you several reasons why I think he is. You posted a YouTube propaganda piece as an answer. Can you not see that the point of a forum is to hear one another's views, not be told to listen to a random third-party's fifteen minute propaganda diatribe?

    So, if you look back, you'll see listed reasons why I consider Trump to be racist. What are your opinions (not someone else's) on why I'm incorrect?

    Oh, and I agree, "racist" is still one of the worst insults. It's awful that America has a president who is one.

    Vin
     
    #18619
    St Badger, StJabbo1 and ChilcoSaint like this.
  20. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    38,729
    Likes Received:
    8,161

    I take your point ISIRTP, but I was having a go at answering a repeated question. The verified reports are all around, but as you say, if people don't to accept them, they can live in their bubble. Perhaps they need to look up the definition of evidence of racist tendencies.
     
    #18620

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 1, Guests: 0)

  1. StJabbo1

Share This Page