Off Topic Politics Thread

I read a few of the comments on that post earlier and the amount of people taken in by it was shocking.
Mind you reading the Sun,Mirror,Star etc is no better.

 

here's a fairly detailed rebuttal of most of the points in that FB post. I hate FB

http://ilovetheeu.co.uk/trade/no-the-eu-does-not-fund-companies-to-move-jobs-out-of-the-uk/

We've always been lied to by politicians and some media outlets but the freedom that FB has given just about anyone to post whatever unfounded crap they like is ridiculous. Far too many people these days get all their "news" via FB, and never do any fact checking...I guess I'm not really a fan of people either, on the whole.

 

Excellent find RJ.....just shows how dangerous Facebook can be with untruths posted on there.

 

took me 10 seconds to find the site I posted the link to, took another couple of minutes to cross check a few things...I sincerely believe that most people seem to believe that the internet was created so that people could post cat videos

 

Be nice to have them back though

 

The Transit one was done with EU approval and EU funding. An £80m loan from the ECB approved by officials including......Arch remainer George Osborne who was on the board at the time.

Jaguar Land rover have been planning to move for over 7 years. Most of their problems are from having most of their product running diesel and their main product being pretty much just the same thing reworked every few years. Plus their prices for what they sell, they have suffered in the "Exec" market when Mercedes, BMW and other luxury saloon makers are much more competitive. But hey, Brexit is an opportune excuse. Nothing to do with diesel becoming bad, the product not being as popular. Lets stick Brexit on the end.

I'm not so sure on the Dyson one either. Why would he have got EU funding. One of the reasons he moved out of the UK in the first place was because of the lobbying by bigger competitors in the EU making regulations that hindered his product. Even now this headline of "moving HQ out of the UK" ignores that the 4,000 UK R&D workers are staying here.

Narratives galore but let's ignore because everything needs blaming on Brexit and anyone who backs Brexit must be destroyed.

 

Aw see, you're not so bad after all!

 

I can agree with this

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/alison-phillips-friendless-theresa-mays-13893166

 

Drat, double drat and triple drat.

 

Me too, it's not even harsh

 

Cross party support on that one.

 

Happily, the internet remembers everything:





But as for this:



All I can say is what a ****ing triumph!

Vin

 

Speaks the man for whom nothing must ever be blamed on Brexit. Even if it's directly caused by Brexit.

Vin

 

What has Dyson moving his HQ got to do with the first one? HE still has his R&D in the UK and employs 4,000 people. Has he said he is not going to invest in the UK now? Using one thing to mean something else there without any supporting evidence?

 

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1035222/Dyson-electric-cars-Singapore-UK-Brexit

"
Dyson to make electric cars in Singapore instead of UK in new £2.5 billion investment"

The firm had considered opening the new "advanced automotive manufacturing" in the UK but ultimately decided to open it in the Asian country instead.

 

You are wrong on dyson. He left the UK for two main reasons:
1. Lower cost manufacturing
2. Tax (hence he’s now leaving/left Malaysia

Do some research in his funding for his London school, James Dyson foundation and his education/R&D centre in Malmesbury. For “funding” also see “tax relief”

It is and always has been about the money for him.

 

Mmmm I wonder how his UK tax payments will look soon....

Ask yourself that first question again.

This is a man who triumphs Britain (ignore Brexit for now) and then keeps moving parts of his business away from the UK and therefore his tax contributions. Try and find out how much tax relief he will get for R&D investments.... he’s taking away twice from the country he is allegedly so proud of.

Add in brexit now... I wonder why the man was so keen to support Brexit and why did he care? If Brexit and Britain was so great, why is he not reversing what he has done for years and telling us he’s bringing Dyson back home?

“Vote Brexit and I’ll bring Dyson Home” would have been a true statement of belief

 

Oh dear BBC!

 

If all that is true about Dyson then fine (I have no reason to doubt it, and trust your research on that one*) however I keep hearing from the remain side about we have to accept globalisation for what it is, as a positive etc. Is this not just a globalist doing what globalists do?

*although this article in today's Spectator repeats my suggestion earlier r.e. the EU and his competitors but also talks about how government and EU policy meant that the UK and EU were really to blame for the driverless car investment not ending up here:

"MPs will find it easier to denounce Dyson than ask questions about why his company found it so hard to develop driverless cars in the UK. Two decades ago, Britain was poised to become a global centre of GM technology only to see the industry driven abroad because the EU made it all but impossible to conduct trials."

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/01...ks-the-brexit-opportunity-will-be-squandered/