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I doubt the proportion of Labour MPs in parliament is anywhere near 40%. Probably closer to 10.

Corbyn campaigned, in an admittedly lukewarm fashion, for Remain before the referendum.
Lukewarm indeed. Might have been a different result if he had been a bit more enthusiastic, but as I said, he is a leaver.
 
Lukewarm indeed. Might have been a different result if he had been a bit more enthusiastic, but as I said, he is a leaver.


Apparently he once was. But I think it's probably fair to say that "lukewarm Remainer", who accepts the outcome of the referendum, better describes his current position. He's never been a person to hide his convictions.

I would personally be happier if he was firmly in favour of Remain, but that clearly isn't the case either
 
The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders has spoken:

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2018/12/auto...t-an-agreement-no-deal-must-be-off-the-table/

Pretty unequivocal.

However, I expect they are part of project fear (for some weird reason) and that people outside their industry (perhaps even on this forum) know their business better than they do*. Ho hum.

Vin

*Someone on Twitter said it was Project Fear because motor manufacturers don't actually use just in time manufacturing. The lengths these people will go to to deny facts.
 
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I had a brief chat with my wife’s oncologist, this morning, re the impact on any treatment she may need following Brexit.
His response was encouraging, as in contingency plans to source whatever they need (without stock piling) were in place, so there shouldn’t be any concerns.
BUT, he has confirmed that a no deal Brexit would be a major problem.
 
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Just as a matter of interest guys..........If the Labour Party were in power after the last election........How do you see labour handling the Brexit negotiations?.......Better than May? Or would he have just ignored the vote?

As long as he does not put Dianne Abbott in charge of the financial side :1980_boogie_down:
 
The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders has spoken:

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2018/12/auto...t-an-agreement-no-deal-must-be-off-the-table/

Pretty unequivocal.

However, I expect they are part of project fear (for some weird reason) and that people outside their industry (perhaps even on this forum) know their business better than they do*. Ho hum.

Vin

Someone on Twitter said it was Project Fear because motor manufacturers don't actually use just in time manufacturing. The lengths these people will go to to deny facts.

It would be very difficult for the motor industry... assuming that British suppliers were still working with European auto companies
 
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Corbyn is a leaver Beddy, I thought everyone knew that. Nobody can know for sure, but going by what has been said by Labour people inside and outside Parliament, they wouldn’t have painted themselves into a corner like May has with restrictive red lines about the Customs Union. We would have a permanent Customs Union with the EU which would give us frictionless trade with the EU Single Market, but still leave us free to negotiate deals with other countries.

We would definitely not be in the mess we are in now.

You don’t know that 100% Chilcs. We could be in a different but equally sticky mess.
 
Someone on Twitter said it was Project Fear because motor manufacturers don't actually use just in time manufacturing. The lengths these people will go to to deny facts.
worked in the automotive industry all my life, boy, do they use JIT! I think it's written in the contracts with all European car manufacturers. If just one component of the unit you're assembling is delivered a few days late you can shut down an assembly line in Opel (for example). They don't like that (you get closed down and they re-source before you can say but the lorry is only in Dover!)
 
worked in the automotive industry all my life, boy, do they use JIT! I think it's written in the contracts with all European car manufacturers. If just one component of the unit you're assembling is delivered a few days late you can shut down an assembly line in Opel (for example). They don't like that (you get closed down and they re-source before you can say but the lorry is only in Dover!)

I know of a company in Yorkshire who got themselves in a bit of a sticky mess with production and were literally flying parts by helicopter to Jaguar to not stop the lines. The penalties were that big.

Any issues with ports and lorries is going to be a fecking disaster for that industry if suppliers and OEMs are on different sides of the channel.
 
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I know of a company in Yorkshire who got themselves in a bit of a sticky mess with production and were literally flying parts by helicopter to Jaguar to not stop the lines. The penalties were that big.

Any issues with ports and lorries is going to be a fecking disaster for that industry if suppliers and OEMs are on different sides of the channel.
exactly
 
You don’t know that 100% Chilcs. We could be in a different but equally sticky mess.
99% then. You know I don’t want to leave under any circumstances, but Labour’s approach would have been more acceptable across the HoP than May’s disastrous bungling. The Customs Union with the EU would have preserved the open border between NI and Eire, so the DUP would have accepted it. And Labour would have approached the negotiations with the EU in a more open way, without declaring red lines before even the first meeting took place.
 
You should go on the stage, you’re hilarious.

Not as hilarious as the constant talk about fake news from people like Cadwalladr that the Guardian constantly have to print corrections for. Not as bad as Claas Relotius* but still. She takes a grain of truth and ends up seasoning a full turkey.

*Claas Relotius is (was?) an award winning reporter for Der Spiegel. However he got found out making his stories up when he did an article on a 3 week stay in "Trump America" which was a complete fabrication. He then admitted to a vast amount of fabrication in his "liberal" articles.

Bit like Polly Toynbee's vision of what England is like outside of the M25 :)

"Der Spiegel journalist messed with the wrong small town"

https://medium.com/@micheleanderson...messed-with-the-wrong-small-town-d92f3e0e01a7
 
"Fake news"?

For heaven's sake. "Incorrect stories". Get out of that bubble. "MSM" and "Fake News" are dead giveaways.

Vin
 
"Fake news"?

For heaven's sake. "Incorrect stories". Get out of that bubble. "MSM" and "Fake News" are dead giveaways.

Vin

What are you on about. BBC is constantly banging on about "Fake News." Is that a dead giveaway?

Calling out people for using terms that are being used on all sides, ignoring that is how these language works, is just the latest tactic.

"lol", "snowflake", "chav" are used by all because they came into mainstream use. Fake news is used more by angels like the BBC than "alt-rightists" and leftist authors (as well as many pro-remain) are now addicted to calling people whose views they oppose "snowflakes."

Look at the last year. Everybody is now referring to the other side's arguments with "for the birds" and "unicorns". Are they giveaways of anything other than they are influenced by words or saying that make their way to mainstream use?